Is it real antisemitism or just not supporting Israel?

About when they start going on about “Zionists” Is where I draw the line and where it typically takes a turn.

As a Jewish person, I find it healthy to criticize the Israeli government. Most young Israelis do. Their government has been steamrolled by a wannabe dictator that is corrupt as hell and his team of racist, backwards conservative orthodox buddies.

They were just protesting in the streets weeks ago and now we’re expected to turn around and support the government? Nah. This doesn’t change anything.

I'm a Jew and pretty sensitive to antisemitism, even dogwhistles. I admit I don't go to lemmy.ml very often, but from what I've seen from lemmy.ml posters posting on lemmy.world, there's been no antisemitism at all. In fact, I have not seen any antisemitism from anyone here that I can recall, which is pretty amazing in and of itself.

Opposition to Israel's genocidal regime is not antisemitism.

Israelis and people of Jewish faith are fine and nice people. Netanyahu's government is a monster with genocidal ideas. Some people go along with these terrible ideas.

Palestinians and people of Muslim faith are fine and nice people. Hamas leadership are monsters with genocidal ideas. Some people go along with these terrible ideas.

Criticizing. Israel. Is. Not. Anti-semitism.

Is criticizing Saudi Arabia "Islamophobia"?

Israel is a state
Judaism is a religion

If one disagrees or opposes one, they don't oppose the other. I know that Israel has managed to spin the narrative that Israel and Judaism are the same and everyone opposing the state is basically the same kind of hateful asshole Adolf was, but that's just not true. We here in Germany have struggled a long time with that for obvious reasons. You couldn't call out Israel for doing wrong shit without being called a Nazi. In that past that is. What you've seen isn't "Antisemitism". It's opposition to some of the bullshit Israel is pulling that is the very same kind of bullshit Jews have been subjected to in the past. Or tell me: What's the difference between a Ghetto in 1700s Germany and the Gaza Strip? Correct, the 1700s Ghetto had less travel restrictions.

There is a great push in Israel to be proud of the history of unjust oppression and prosecution Jews have suffered for centuries and how awful being a victim of that was. There is this sense that together, as a nation, they finally have the means to safeguard themselves against shit like that. Yet, that very same nation pulls a swift 180 when it comes to palestinians. Pushing them back into Ghettos, depriving them of any form of economical way out, depriving them of means to get their own electricity, their own water. Paying them pittances for their jobs, restricting travel for them whenever possible. Now, as soon as those people act hostile (go figure), the "state of the oppressed" Israel responds with the military. "A little bombardment will keep them in check, right? How dare they hate us?!"

If the message all the Shoa museums, all the graveyards for the people killed in atrocities was really understood, neither the "West Bank" nor the "Gaza Strip" could exist without Israelites acting up against them.

Rant over.

This comment thread is an absolute fucking joke. You're all dumb as absolute fuck.

Both sides of this conflict are pieces of shit. There is no side "to blame." This conflict has been going on for about 100 years and both sides have committed human rights violation and heinous acts of violence.

If you actually want to blame someone, blame the fucking British and the Americans for manipulating both the zionists and the Palestinians to help win the world wars, and for promising them both the same land.

You're all wasting your time trying to to blame Israel or Palestine. Don't be so fucking lazy people. Read a god damn history book rather than basing your opinions on social media. Jesus...

Anti Zionism ≠ Anti Semitism.

Some people wants every body human rights to be respected, and dennounce crimes against humanity that Israel and Hamas commits, one being an alleged country and the other a terrorist organization.

The right for self determination of Palestinians (and to live) is not being respected by Israel, so, with confidence I will say Free Palestine!

Yeah where the fuck is the antisemitism? Fuckin dogshit takes that think one side is clean where the other isnt? Yeah, plenty of that. But antisemitism itself? I havent seen it

Antisemitism ≠ antizionism, lemmy.ml (speaking from experience) has waaaaay harsher and stricter moderation that something like ee or world, they straight up hard-remove words from comments, an antisemite would be banned on sight.

Why is everyone in the comments section oversimplifying this complex issue? Great reminder that that's what politics is now, blaming one side and naming the other side pure.

Where? Lemmy.ml usually cracks down on racists pretty hard report them when you see them

Me looking at all the genocide denying ethnostate apologists on lemmy 😥

That's the face I also make when seeing an idiot redditor who's just found Lemmy calling any criticism of a genocide " antisemitic" because in the redditor's mind, genociding brown people doesn't count.

Lemmy.world go 30 minutes without making things up about other instances challenge.

Difficulty: impossible.

Whiniest instance by far. I get the hate for hexbear and grad, but ml is normal

I wouldn't call it antisemitic. Just pretty biased.

What is your definition of anti-Semitism?