I feel like you can be pro-palestine without being antisemitic…
this post was submitted on 10 Oct 2023
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Nobody here read the article, don't take the rate bait. This was a small group of idiots in a larger protest. The organisers quickly shut them down and made it clear this was not welcome.
This is just disgusting behaviour. No one should ever be calling for genocide, regardless of any circumstances. Also, why are all Jewish people being conflated with the Israeli government? Jews outside Israel have no power over its government, and even Israelis had to go through some five hung elections to get Netanyahu back in power, indicating that he clearly has less than 50% of the country’s support.
Now if they had been shouting “fuck Bibi” or “end the occupation” or “no more genocide against Palestine” I’d be right there with them. These idiots have no fucking clue how to garner support, so all they’re doing is giving Israel more moral high-ground. Goddamn Nazis need to learn some physical consequences.
A big problem in conflating the bad government and the ethnic population and the religion is the fact the country is setup as a religious ethnocentric state. The titles, messaging, and words all conflate.
People are terrible with nuance at the best of times, when they are emotional that nuanced capacity goes out the window. So you can't be pro Palestine, anti Hamas and have any discussion.
This inability to maintain nuance applies to the other side too. You're either pro Israel, or anti-Semitic, at least in the public discourse. You can't be pro-Palestinian, anti Israeli (government), pro Jewish, that viewpoint has too much nuance for discourse in social media.
I think the discourse here is showing that nuance is definitely possible in social media, but that those social media that favour nuance are the absolute minority and located predominately away from mainstream social media.
I’m pro-Palestinians, pro-Israelis, anti-Hamas, anti-Zionist, anti-Hezbollah and anti-Israeli Government simultaneously, and that view seems to be pretty well accepted here.
What's the difference between anti-Zionist, and anti Israeli government?
We're having a good discussion in this thread. But another threads I've participated in recently, the discussion goes quickly off the rails.
Not all Israeli parties are Zionist - it’s predominately the coalition of right-wing parties. To paint all Israeli politicians as being Zionist is a bit disingenuous, although I do admit that the vast majority of Israeli political discourse is dominated by Zionist overtones.
There are also cultural and religious minorities in Israel - predominately Christians and Muslims - and the Knesset has had a fairly stable cohort of Arab or Druze members since it was established.
If we’re talking about the current ruling parties? Absolutely, they’re Zionist through-and-through. But they’re not reflective of the whole Knesset.
There are also Zionists outside of Israel - Evangelical Americans as a group come to mind here. There are many people of many religions around the world that believe that Israel has the right to Palestine for one arcane reason or another.
To suffice: not all Israeli government are Zionists; not all Zionists are Israeli.
That was a very succinct explanation. Thank you
Completely agree. And this conflation of Jewish people and the Israeli government actions, mostly pushed by Zionists, is something that progressive, pro-palestine Jewish people have been complaining about forever.
Israels is trying to rope all Jews in, demanding support and claiming itself to be the state representing judaism as a whole.
Unfortunately many jewish organizations around the world consider unconditional support for Israel as part of their goals, even when Israel is commiting crimes against humanity. There is also jewish organizations with a balanced view towards Israel, but they are unfortunately much smaller.
Israel is trying to rope all Jews in
As a secular non-Israeli Jew, this is absolutely correct. They correctly state that they're the country of last resort, the refuge for Jews if things go full Nazi in whatever country you're in. Then they use that status to try and get unconditional support for all their policies.
Likud, Shas, the various hyper-religious parties and all their allies shouldn't be allowed to run a corner store, let alone a country.
Especially Otzma Yehudit. Those people are scum of the highest order.
Ironically, Israel is getting closer to full nazi than most other places with large Jewish populations. Perhaps they will soon be fleeing for Europe or North America.
If you read the article you will notice this was a minority group of idiots that were quickly shut down by the protest organisers.
Yeah, I did note that in the article when I read it. My comment wasn’t directed at the protest organisers - it was specifically towards the Nazis in the crowd. I thought my comment indicated that; sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.
It wasn’t the sky news Australia team on their lunch break was it?
On their lunch break? I'm sure it was a company event and they were on the clock.
Jesus fucking Christ.
The quickest way to destroy your message is to declare death on someone.
This is instead of answering multiple people:
Hamas is an anti-Semitic terror organization (not anti Israeli). You can't really separate between Hamas and Gaza citizens because Hamas controls Gaza. Hamas has day camps for children (in order to brainwash them from a young age), they have TV shows, radio channels, etc...
Mein kampf is a best seller in Palestine (see the comments and other links accept the answer).
Mein kampf was translated to Arabic in the 1930s and it's still spread in some countries in order to create anti semitism (of course), and it's not just in Muslim countries.
Hamas don't give a toss about Palestinians, they want to please Iran and Qatar.
What? Mein Kampf has dislodged Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
News channels published that Israel bombed a hospital in Gaza only 5 minutes after it happened without any evidence or fact checking. Then they found out that it's actually a failed missile that was launched from the cemetery behind the hospital by the Islamic jihad. Some of them still haven't apologized and the BBC refuse to call Hamas terrorists. And people still think the jews control the media....
I’m sure these people can expect a visit from the Australian Federal Police pretty quickly. Australia still has some tough antiterrorism/national-security laws on the books that could be used to put them in a deep, dark (or constantly fluorescent-lit) hole they won’t emerge from.
As this doesn't interfere with mining interests or criticism of the government the AFP will be sleeping through any antisemitic sentiment
The whole Israel/Palestine thing is gonna be the media's wedge issue of the week, isn't it?
Oh are those these poor poor™ Palestinian people that Lemmy keeps telling me are poor victims? And that they definitely are oppressed and don't support Hamas and are not antisemitic?
Those people are worse than animals. I hope they all get deported to Gaza. Fuck Palestine. Terror people.
Because every situation is right or wrong and there's absolutely no nuance or grey area...
Wasn't aware calling for gas chambers was some grey area shit
it's really hard to have sympathy for Palestine when these are their cheerleaders
You are talking about an area of the world that is almost 50% children, based on the words of people who have likely never even been there.
It’s easy to have sympathy for Palestine; it’s very difficult to have sympathy for Hamas.
Anyone cheering on Hamas is promoting crimes against humanity which is objectively abhorrent. Anyone who cares for the Palestinian people caught up in the conflict just has functioning empathy.
I guess so if you walk around with a myopic world view. Guess what? There's more than just two homogeneous sides to almost every issue.
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