A sleep scientist/professor named Matt Walker has a podcast about, you guessed it, sleep. He talks about this and how it's very unfair to people who are biologically programmed to get tired later.

He goes on to describe scientific proof of the effect this has on their sleep and the impact to their health. It's sad really, but his hope is to raise awareness and acceptance of the night owl's schedule.

When they all got together to decide what kind of civilization to have, all the slackers slept in. That’s why we have to work before noon.

Nobody gave them anything. They just took it... while we were sleeping.

The joke's on them. I am no good before 8.30am or after 8.30pm.

As an early person I think night owls have it better in some ways, yeah work can start early but if you want to do anything "cool" it's always late at night. Wish they'd do more daytime concerts and stuff

Sure, but night owls have more fun.

It's why you keep calling the early bird people at 8pm for work stuff and giving them shit for not working late until they get the message that them calling you at 8am is just as annoying.

It's biology. When winter comes and we switch daylight saving times again, I wake up an hour earlier according to the clock while walking up at the same sun time the entire year.

This is not a shit post, it’s a real issue for many. In Denmark there is a political movement for the rights of non-early birds, called B-Samfundet (B-Society).

https://www.b-society.org

I'm a morning lark, but this annoys me so much! People should be able to work whenever the F they're at their most productive, not when morning larks decided everyone should be.

Cough https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-023-01531-x Cough

I wake up without the alarm at 0400 every day now. My alarm doesn't even go off til 0500. I only want to stay up late looking at the stars, but haven't done that in forever.

I've become what I hate.

I just find a job where they don’t care when I start as long as I get the work done

Look, I can't help it. The dogs wake me up at 4 every day and I can't train them out of it and once I'm awake, I can't get back to sleep.

I wish I wasn't a morning person. I really wish I could sleep in on the weekends. Alas, fate had naughty dogs in store for me.

The only problem I have with early birds is that they won't let me sleep-in late in the mornings; they make so much noise.

Now, the Sun on the other hand...

100%. I just don't get productive before 13:00 and my best time is 17:00 to 19:30. I come to work at 8:30, sit arround basically not accomplishinga anything before noon and then work productively a couple of hours and when I start to really get stuff done I am forced to stop (working has to stop at 18:00 here).

I'm not sure how much is really genetics vs behavior/environment. I'm a night owl too, if I can on weekends I'm up till after midnight or into the early hours. But that's because I'm playing games, sit in front of PC displays, look at my phone and so on (and still feel like shit the next day obviously, no matter how long I sleep).

But if I force myself to go to bed early a few days in a row, which I've only done a few times so far, I suddenly wake up a minute before my alarm goes off, even early in the morning.

So I'm not sure if there's actually so many night owls around, or if this is just an issue of not moving enough and having artificial light sources all around you in the evening (with plenty of screen usage). To get up early in the morning you have to go into bed early, it doesn't work otherwise. And to go to bed early you have to stick to a schedule, otherwise it's like jet lag, if I go to bed every day after midnight then obviously I'll have a difficult time falling asleep at 10 p.m. the one time I actually try to.

On the bright side, I both prefer and get paid more to take the later shift at work.