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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 393 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can we start treating billionaires as rogue nations unto themselves? Because that's frankly how they act.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 130 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think technically they're more "terrorists" than "rogue nations"

[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I mean 9/11 was performed by some rich family member.

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Frankly I am mad that people are only seeing this now.

Between billionaires and trillion dollar companies, many of them are richer than most nations.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 229 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

Is this not treason? Like legitimately, technically.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 174 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It may be a violation of the Logan Act, which makes it illegal for private citizens to interfere with foreign relations.

[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The Logan Act deals with private citizens negotiating with foreign governments. Unless he fucked with Starlink at the direct request of the Russian gov't, I don't see how the Logan Act applies. EDIT: apparently he did it after speaking with Russian government officials. So never mind, Logan Act is absolutely implicated.

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Against Ukraine certainly, but since he's not a citizen of Ukraine, then no. If these were US forces that he sabotaged, or the US was actually fighting in the war then it would also qualify, but once again that doesn't apply. It definitely runs counter to US foreign interests, but that's not enough to qualify (and probably good it doesn't, a LOT of stuff people regularly do it could be argued would run counter to US foreign interests).

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago (13 children)

He did this with federal funds. And the US hasn’t declared war since, what, WW2? The Rosenbergs were executed for treason, and we never declared war with USSR.

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Rosenbergs were executed for treason

Espionage, actually.

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[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 208 points 1 year ago (22 children)

It's cute how if Ukraine fights back that risks nuclear war, but when Russia invades a sovereign country it doesn't

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[–] taranasus@lemmy.world 174 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Hang on... That's sabotage. Straight up. That's a criminal offence no?

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 year ago

Yes. Assisting putler's genocide against Ukrainian children is a war crime.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Yep, but he's rich. I fully expect nothing to happen.

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[–] iyaerP@lemmy.world 150 points 1 year ago (10 children)

If he loves Russia so much, we should deport him there, and nationalize all his assets since SpaceX is a critical security apparatus and he's clearly the foreign agent of a hostile power.

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[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 149 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Elon is not the president, a leader, the military, nor a government. This parasite should be in a prison or a brig at the very least. This is fucking treason.

[–] Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He controls 10K satellites, the electric car charging infrastructure, and a massive global communications platform. He's too big to control. Good thing we hero-worshipped him for years. 🫢 🤭

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

He doesn't personally control any of that. Each of those organizations could continue on without him, probably happier to be rid of him.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Yep. It's always good to remind everyone that he didn't build anything, nor did he found Tesla.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 134 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (51 children)

Fucking charge him with something. This is insane... If it's not treason, it sure as hell is undermining the billions of dollars in aid were sending Ukraine. We've sent 76 billion dollars so far.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Yeah, if an unelected CEO can tell a democratically elected government what it can and can't do we're no better than medieval peasants who had to bow and scrape for the nobles' favor

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[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I know it's an anathema to most in the US but the government needs to step up and take Starlink and Space X off Musk for a fair price. He's way too unstable to be trusted with tech that important.

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

A fair price would be musk in jail for his crimes.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The older I get the more socialist I am. Yeah, take it away from his dumb ass, but don't keep it ffs. Make it employee owned. Make every business employee owned.

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[–] krayj@sh.itjust.works 97 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Any system capable of manipulating the outcomes of international conflict needs to become property of the government via eminent domain...especially if that system is used...especially if used by an entrepreneur operating without oversight.

[–] thann@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Deactivating US military hardware in the middle of a conflict sounds a lot like an act of treason...

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[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 94 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I mean if a person does anything directly affecting a war (for any side) I'd say that person is a wartime volunteer.

Wartime volunteers that have taken up arms are a absolutely viable target for military strikes.

Just saying 🤷‍♂️

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

Elon is a Russian bitch just like the rest of the billionaires.

[–] atyaz@reddthat.com 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It seems like privatization is working out great for us 👍

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 62 points 1 year ago

If true, my respect for Musk just dropped a .... well, none at all. It would be totally in character.

[–] muzzle@lemm.ee 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

But the truly galaxy brain move is in this article:

After CNN’s reporting, Musk reversed course, tweeting “the hell with it … we’ll just keep funding Ukraine govt for free.”

Gwynne Shotwell, Musk’s president at SpaceX, was livid at Musk’s reversal, according to Isaacson.

“The Pentagon had a $145 million check ready to hand to me, literally,” Isaacson quotes Shotwell as saying. “Then Elon succumbed to the bullshit on Twitter and to the haters at the Pentagon who leaked the story.”

[–] BioDriver@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 year ago

Muskovite belongs in prison with the other russian war criminals.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Yeah we keep finding out more and more ways this mofo sucks. Somebody needs to strap him to the front of his stupid rocket and launch him into orbit.

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[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Make sure to save this for the next time that shitbird or one of his moron suckups tries to say he helped Ukraine. Fucker oughtta be treated the same as any Russian collaborator.

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[–] blazera@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From the moment he gutted 80% of twitter staff very soon after a secret meeting with Putin, its all been pretty obvious Musk is a Russian asset. Twitter helped rally international support for Ukraine and he hasnt been subtle in sabotaging it

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[–] Venomnik0@lemm.ee 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. It was so people can watch Netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes.”

Yes my satellite that is actively being used in a war should be designed only for Netflix and chill.

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[–] Yepthatsme@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago

Throw that fuck in prison and nationalize all his shit.

[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

Fuck you, Elon - you festering vomit of a man.

[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Musk is a war criminal. This is a crime against humanity.

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 103 points 1 year ago (8 children)

It's neither of those things. Words have meanings, and legal terms have very specific meanings.

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[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He sould absolutely be in prison. He interfered with a military conflict.

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