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That’s a big mistake. He got $12k for free and will find people who will pay a higher rent.
this post was submitted on 03 Sep 2023
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Right! That's a good chunk of a down payment on a house of their own!
Dealing with a landlord is just like dealing with HR at work - they aren't there for YOU. The tenant here wasn't stupid, just naive. Besides, from a liability standpoint, a tenant should NEVER do any property upgrades or repairs without some kind of written agreement (and hopefuly waiver of liability). If something goes wrong, guess who will be on the hook financially when it goes to court? Hint: The landlord turned plaintiff won't be it....
Horrible. Now that the property is more valuable due to the upgrades the landlord knows they can charges a higher rent for it. The real mildly infuriating part is the fact that we as a society reward this behaviour. Sociopathic behaviour is actively encouraged under capitalism.
Not even close to a sane take. If you look at the text exchange is clear it was done without the owner knowing. As an owner the renter could have cut all sorts of corners... you'd have to tear it all up just to even make sure its water sealed properly just so that your house doesn't rot the through because some rando renter made choices about your property. If your going to drop 12k on a reno of a bathroom... drop it on a down payment instead.
12k is upgrades is both enough to potentially have the landlord owe additional taxes if they are assessed and not enough to be able to increase amenities enough to meaningfully raise rent.
The real issue here though is that you don't go altering someone's property without their consent. I don't know how that isn't the obvious answer here. The amount spent doesn't even really matter (although I'd argue more spent is even worse, considering it implies greater alterations without consent).
Landlords can be and very often are terrible. But on a base level if I own a piece of property for which I am ultimately responsible, I see no justification for being ok with someone else making thousands of dollars of changes to that property without getting my ok first. It seems incredibly basic that I as owner should have a say in it.
That's more facepalm, right?
Reminds me of this time in high school when we went bowling. Friend of mine spent $5 to shine the rented ball before he returned it.
I find it mildly bewildering that someone would spend $12k updating a home they don't own.
Everyone is so busy insulting the tenant doing the upgrades when it's the landlord who behaved badly. If all we do is collectively blame victims when they get taken advantage of, society will crumble. This woman wasn't stupid, she just didn't have her guard up in preparation for the massive asshole who had power over her. There's a difference.
When you are trusting, you're called stupid. When you trust no one, you're called unreasonably cynical. They're two sides of the same victim blaming coin. Start blaming the actual problem: predators.
Putting money into something you don’t own is stupid. Full stop.
Never put money into a rental.
Your advice isn't helpful for people who don't have the means to own their own home. Being trusting or naive isn't something that should be shamed. There's a way to educate people with kindness and compassion. People aren't born knowing how to best handle the legal end of a renovation. But go on and call her stupid some more, that'll help the onlookers. You and I and everyone in this comments section will be smart and secure with the claws we have dug into the insides of the pretty housing bubble. Perhaps if we bicker even more, the problem will disappear completely.
Kindness and compassion doesn't always work. Sometimes the bold truth may hurt but can have more of an effect.
At 400 lbs, you are a bit overweight and that's ok
Or...reality.
You are morbidly obese and at risk of dying, slchange your life now.
I'll take blunt and effective over sugar coated nonsense any day.
Except shaming obesity doesn't solve that problem, either. You're kind of proving my point here without even realizing it.
Sure it most certainly can change obesity.
This tenant obviously is close to having the means to owning their own home. They blew ~50% of a down payment on a house that they don't own.
The smart thing to do, would have been save the money and use that towards a house of their own.
Rather than pay that much for renovations on something she doesn't own that would have been a great start for a down payment she could own.
I hate landlords as much as the next guy, but this is the stupidest thing ever. Would you also pay to deck out a rental car? No, you wouldn't because you're not the biggest dumbass on the planet.
Like other commenters have stated, there are technically reasons why and how this could work, but a casual verbal agreement ain't it, chief. Don't reward massive dumbassery with pity.
Well no one is living in a rental car for years. I understand what you're saying but the comparison itself is pretty bad
A proper comparison here would be more like a leased vehicle than a rental car. It's not the "stupidest thing ever" for this tenant to believe she would be living there for 1 or more years and wouldn't suddenly be evicted. Your exaggeration only benefits predators, and your pity is hardly a reward to anyone.
I agree that the landlord is a shitstain, but that tenant is not the best at decision making either. I can understand spending a couple of hundreds if it makes your life better, but she basically handed over a 12k check to that landlord. I can't see any good reason to do this.
Renting isn't the greatest decision, either. You're throwing money at a landlord and gaining zero equity. People often do it because it's that or homelessness. These systems are in place to take advantage of people who aren't the best decision makers. Just because they can be taken advantage of... should they be? Or should we be better than this and revamp how we house people so that it isn't a massive scam with the opportunity for extra side scams like we see here?
If the landlord wasn't a massive dick, they both could have benefited from this situation. She'd have the renovated bathroom she wanted, and the landlord knew his property was being taken care of without even needing to lift a finger. Instead he got greedy, and rather than blame the greedy jerk people want to jump on the "stupid" victim. Except it's not her fault her landlord was a prick.
Renting can sometimes be more advantageous than owning. You don't have to pay for maintenance and you have the ability to pick up and move a lot easier.
I own now, and even though I own a very small condo and was able to put enough money down so that I don't have to pay mortgage insurance...owning has been more expensive per month than renting for me... I get that it's not always this way, but right now everything is shit for everyone.
True. Back when I rented it was a good situation because my rent was dirt cheap and I was able to save money. Seems those days are long gone with rentals sometimes being double or triple what a mortgage payment would be.
Nah I mean for me it's the opposite. Buying something made my monthly cost much higher than renting. I was hoping it would do the opposite but that wasn't the case. :/
Renting is basically the only way to have housing in certain parts of the world. In large cities too. Not everyone that rents is bad at decision making or on the verge of homelessness...
In this specific case, she was able to blow 12k in renos on a rental and has a Roche Bobois couch that's worth at least 10k in the setup she has (she mentions this on her twitter feed). To be fair, she also says she realizes she made a terrible mistake and is taking the criticism in stride, so good for her, lesson learned. All this to say, yes she acted stupidly, regardless of how shitty the landlord seem to be.
I agree with you that the housing system needs to change. That conversation has been going on forever. But the solution is not to have everyone strive to own a house.
She's an idiot. I understand the outrage, but she's an idiot.
Dude just cross post the source link, don't link to another post. That fucks up users from other instances by pulling them into a web browser for another instance. Lemmy will provide cross post links to other threads.
Never, ever, ever do anything like this after verbal consent, especially if it involves this much money. Unless it's on paper, doing this makes you unbelievably fucking stupid
As fucked as that is, what fucking eviction notice gives 3 days to vacate? That can't be legal, can it?
Edit: Looking closer, I see that this is in Texas. And evidently 3 days is all they have to give there. Insane.
https://guides.sll.texas.gov/landlord-tenant-law/eviction-process
This isn't an eviction notice. The landlord must give a written demand to vacate, and allow it to expire, before they are allowed to file an eviction lawsuit.
Landlords exploit property for profit. They hold all power over the tenant.
We need to create organizations in our communities to take power back into our hands.
Abolish private property!
Ducking dumbass