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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Can’t we simply apply some sort of wealth tax? I don’t really want to have sex with them

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Username does not check out.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

You will do so, and you will take your horse and shut up about it!

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Billionaires should not exist. They should be taxed out of existence.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seriously. If they want to keep their money, they should be forced to invest it in companies that generate jobs.

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I hate this mentality. Government spends 50m on pointless projects like building a giant fan in the desert that does nothing just to create jobs. So 30 people have to build it then other people have to maintain it and clean up the dust it makes. But they created jobs and “kept the economy going strong.” Just give these people the money and let them enjoy themselves. It’s the same underlying concept of UBI. They have more free time to spend their money efficiently that they might actually create something of need. If not at least they’re not forced to waste their fucking time for the sake of numbers on a spreadsheet

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah bullshit jobs make me annoyed too. Why can I not pump my own gas in your state? "Oh, those people need jobs." Okay that makes it more annoying to get gas but okay.

But there are jobs that need doing! These people could be building solar panels, working at carbon sequestration, or even just staffing childcare which we desperately need. Why are we wasting our workforce in made up jobs when we have work that needs doing?

[–] Monkeyarson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Exactly, look up the broken window fallacy

[–] MrSilkworm@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I think I understand you're pro UBI. Just wanted to state that I'm pro UBI too. Especially instead of bullshit jobs.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn’t that exactly where most billionaire’s wealth typically is? A lot is in stock of some company they started or invested in.

You can’t gobble up the excess value created by workers if there are no workers.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...unless you gobble up your rivals instead, creating a monopoly, shrinking the job pool through consolidation, sweating the remaining employees that are competing for the vanishing opportunities to keep a roof over their heads, causing market failure and generally fucking everyone over.

This is the strategy adopted by the likes of Bezos, Zuckerberg, the Waltons, and arguably the majority of the biggest drains on our society. Billionaires

[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Well yeah, all that consolation and abuse of the working class means more productivity per person, and since we definitely aren’t going to pay them more that means we’re now worth $100 billion versus the measly, honestly embarrassing, ten figures we had a decade ago. Single-digit billions, could you imagine the shame?

/s but what you describe is honestly seen as a good thing by c-suite sociopaths. The super rich people you mentioned are heroes to them. Such efficient use of capital to create shareholder value!

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[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Consider this: a million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years. It really helps me understand just how obscenely wealthy these people are, how much money they are hoarding. They're leeches.

[–] Kingofthezyx@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By that measure, $100,000 a year for 60 years is 70 days.

And since a billion seconds is 31 years, Musk is worth almost 7000 years.

[–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

There are people on this planet who could give up 90% of their wealth and still ensure a more than comfortable life for themselves and their family, for a dozen generations and more.

And yet they keep all of it.

Then you'll have the people defending them with the good old argument that no one should be expected to give up their hard-earned wealth.

Sure, except these twats „earned“ it through exploitation and misery. No one gets this filthy rich with honest and fair work, that's not how the game works.

[–] crazyminner@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Can we just get here already, these memes are nice, but where are the actual guillotines?

[–] Shiki@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Don't you have to actually work to build them?

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[–] Pissnpink@feddit.uk 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Yoryo@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hungry like a french peasant from 1789.

[–] ButtholeSpiders@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They learned a lesson from that, now they have us bickering with each other over rich political figures who we treat like celebrities. So, it’ll take longer to come to the French Revolution stage, by then they’ll be in safety bunkers.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Bunkers fail, and we have mining equipment.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I'm already feeling a bit hangry

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because its relevant

Against the Logic of the Guillotine Why the Paris Commune Burned the Guillotine—and We Should Too

For me the main point is: If you are able to execute your enemies publicly on the guillotine, you have already won and actually have better(more in line with your ideals) ways to deal with ex billionaires.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree. Launching them into orbit and shoving them out the airlock would garner a much greater sense of poetic justice.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

I agree, but this is an image, not a guillotine. Maybe you could argue the image of a guillotine could lead to similar methods being used if a revolution happens, but I don't know if that's worth discussing in depth. As a tool to transport a message, I think a guillotine is valid. As a method of murder, probably not.

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[–] poszod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Garbage, low effort, polarising post that does nothing to further the actually important antiwork movement.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ew gross.

I'm not fucking any of those ugly bastards.

[–] Sused@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago
[–] darkseer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I wasn't talking about a flat tax. I was stating that if taxes increased for one part of society then it has to increase for everyone. Otherwise, whichever party is in power would increase taxes on the other party's registered voters.

[–] cake@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago

Viva la revolution

[–] pascal@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

We didn't chose our leaders. Leaders got billions because we chose to do nothing.

Why do you think corporations strive in America and at the same time the people gets the shit (bad labour laws, bad healthcare, bad wages) compared to Europe? Because they're better?

Fuck no, it's because of Europe. The founding fathers created a "weak" government on purpose, leaving the power to we the people. Why do you think we're the only country in the world with a Second Amendment?

(Except Mexico and Guatemala but that's a different story...)

But guess what, Americans are lazy, we had a duty and we didn't answer the call... so who filled the hole? People with ambitions. And people with ambitions create companies, and companies value profits, not wellbeing.

We didn't chose billionaires. Billionaires got billions because we chose to do nothing.

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