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Currently the stance for this instance is defederation as a last resort so everyone can participate in the coding chats. If a community on a connected instance breaks our rules the community will be removed from the instance and things such as politics communities will be hidden from the all feed once we can get that coded in since lemmy itself isnt capable of doing it very well yet (its a feature but only through the backend and painful to do in bulk)

So we're gonna keep defederating instances every time a user of an instance acts crazy? Until every instance deferates from each other? This is getting absurd... and feels more and more like high school.

Your screenshot is of a lemmygrad users comment with only three upvotes (hexbear doesn’t have downvotes) in the hexbear “chapotraphouse” comm.

And you’re saying that it shows programming.dev should defederate with the whole instance?

I said it on the exploding-heads thread and I’ll say it here too: my “all” feed would be a much nicer place without hexbear showing up in it.

Just to be fair, that user isn't even a hexbear member.

They've been stirring shit across lemmydom.

But, they haven't hit everywhere, nor have they hit everywhere equally.

This means that instances where the defederation policy is reactive will not, and should not defederate until and unless users from there cause problems.

Have you checked the federation/defederation policy for your instance? If not, you should. If it is a reactive policy, then it comes down to you deciding to stay and use the block feature to curate your feed, stay and attempt to change that policy (good luck), find other instances to use, or use apps with instance filtering features.

It is my personal policy to not have a single account. I decentralize as a user. I recommend this to anyone and everyone in the fediverse. This makes it much easier to shift around as needed to avoid problematic things like this. If I don't like the federation policy of a given instance leading to a bad actor instance causing trouble, I just don't use that instance for a while, and eventually the disruptive place will get defederated for cause. Easy peasy.

I strongly suggest using an app with instance blocking. Connect, sync, and summit all have it (though I'm not certain how bulletproof each is). This means that no matter where you go, the users from the problem instances are filtered out. This only becomes a problem if you moderate C/s with decent traffic. If that's the case, it is usually wise to set up a different app without filters to do mod work from (currently there's only sync and summit that have mod tools that I'm aware of).

I'm less up to date on browser or PWA filtration options.

But, be aware, defederation is meant to be the last choice in most instances. Defederating without a good reason defeats the purpose of federation. Many admins believe in that principle, so this kind of post may not amount to anything at all.

I agree that hexbear is a problem. Because I'm decentralized as a user, I have seen the users from there stirring shit everywhere they target. And that is why they need attention as regards defederation, not having stupid opinions. We, as a general group of fediverse denizens, really need to be careful with calls for defederation solely on the basis of stupidity.

I'm onboard with not defederating but holy shit these people are shitting themselves all over the place on worldnews@lemmy.world. They're way worse than the typical lemmygrad.ml fare.

This is likely the only thread on programming.dev that will attract them. They don't have much cause for class war here.

ı wish users can block instances on their side.

As much as I think they're at best deluded hippy kids who unashamedly gobble down Kremlin propaganda like it's crack, as long as they're not being a nuisance to communities hosted on your server, is there a real reason to defed?

If they start answering "How do I control an ESCPOS receipt printer through Javascript?" with "Nuke Kyiv", then maybe do so.

Although I do think Lemmy should have the ability to personally block a whole server as well as just users and communities.

The better question is why can’t you moderate yourself and block what you don’t want to see? Although with the above screenshot it’s like you’re looking for it.

All this "defederation" makes me lose respect for be Lemmy.

It's full of very good programmers who could contribute even if you don't agree with their politics?

kbin allows you to filter instances

Because there are a lot of tankie apologists elsewhere. That or those free speech absolutists type that think deplatforming fascists and bigots is censorship and cancel culture or some such nonsense like that.