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[–] Nefyedardu@kbin.social 285 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So let me get this straight.

  1. Linus screwed over a small two-person startup with his own incompetence by using the product in an unintended way and not using the GPU and instructions which were provided for him.
  2. Stole their prototype which they needed to develop their product further, even going so far as to sell it at auction.
  3. Goes on record to say "yes, we screwed up but it would cost $100-$500 to fix it so I'm not going to and no, I'm not apologizing for that". (That amount of money is chump change to him.)
  4. Lies about offering to recompense the company. They didn't do that until after getting called out.
  5. When he gets criticized for screwing over this company for his own mistakes, rather than owning up he tries to gaslight everybody into think he is somehow the victim?? "Today was so hard bros" oh poor wittle multi-million dollar Linus... I'll be sure to pray for you while I struggle to pay my rent.

What a fucking piece of shit, fuck him. I hate people like this that simply can't own up to mistakes and have to deflect all criticism.

[–] buckykat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 142 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not just the Billet Labs thing, GN showed a pattern at LMG of rushing out bad test data and therefore wrong conclusions to keep up the frankly ridiculous volume of videos they put out.

[–] fireflash38@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's the sort of thing that makes me really, really sad for the people working there. That crazy breakneck pace cannot be good for mental health.

[–] buckykat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 83 points 1 year ago (13 children)

This is the kind of thing a union (which Linus, of course, has said he's very against) would help with

[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago

I kept thinking about that watching GN's last video and how it's so perfectly in line with what GN exposed.

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[–] GravenImages@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They somewhat recently did a "what do lmg employees really think of working here" video, and it seemed like the #1 complaint was the pace. I really hope they take this criticism to heart and just... Slow down for a bit

[–] CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

But they won't. Cos $$$.

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[–] Nefyedardu@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I used to like LTT up until their "Linux Challenge" videos which were just a pain to watch. Shit like this coming from the biggest tech channel on youtube just drives me up the wall.

[–] Postcard64@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

After this happened, GitHub added a Download button to their for preview pages. So they themselves considered it was enough of a problem/inconvenience to not have a download button.

[–] catastrophicblues@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That bit made me cringe. You go to the file, and can download using the Raw button or using wget. It’s not hard, it’s ignorance.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It also has nothing to do with Linux and everything to do with how Github works. I actually give him a pass on nuking X while installing Steam, that shouldn't happen(although he did get a nice big warning, but that warning was far from user friendly). But some of the other stuff they ran into was "This doesn't work exactly like windows, therefore is bad." type stuff.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

In that video he did everything that everyone recommends not to do when trying out Linux:

  • Never copy paste and execute random code from the internet.
  • Never execute commands on the terminal you don't fully understand what they do.
  • Never say yes or okay to any dialog prompt unless you understand what the dialog is asking about.

He is stupid, he paid the stupid tax. Linux didn't do any of the things that went wrong in that video, it was his own stubbornness and ignorance.

[–] Construc_@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

the problem with a lot of these recommendations though is that to a non-linux user: all code is random, and no commands are understood. you only learn by doing, and if you cant do until you know, you'll never get anywhere. you gotta make a few mistakes to learn anything, and thats what happened. yea he paid the stupid tax, but so does everyone else while they learn a new thing. that was the entire point of the challenge: how hard is it? and it turns out, quite! info is scattered, theres lots of commands and code that sounds like it'll do what you want but is actually a bad idea (as evidenced by the recommendations you point out), and things can break easily. thats the video.

[–] transistor@lemdro.id 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

How would someone who doesn't use GitHub or linux know how to do that?

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[–] Deathcrow@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

ohh boy, I almost forgot about that. That was super painful. It's a website linus, not a file browser.

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[–] Bobert@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Woah woah woah woah!

I dunno how many times this has to be said!

He didn't SELL it! He AUCTIONED it!

That's a distinction that needs to be made!

[–] rustyricotta@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And it was for CHARITY. Surely that obsolves him right?

[–] NOPper@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I herby start the bidding on LM! Do I hear $500?

[–] dorkian_gray@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Solid summary, yep. I will say though that while I understand your anger and certainly share in your disappointment, Linus has a pretty good (but not spotless, not by a long shot) track record of doing the right thing and being a decent dude, and I think he deserves a bit more grace than the more vitriolic comments have been giving him. Saying he's a piece of shit is a bit much, in my opinion.

As a long-time viewer, it's hard to see. I hope he sits and thinks on this whole situation, and comes around to apologise to Billet, to GN, and to the community he spent so long building. In the absence of that, I really hope someone from LMG outlines the steps they'll take moving forward to address the points raised in the GN videos. I love LMG's content, it would be a shame to lose them over all this.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 1 year ago

I was almost ready to be with you, but after reading the tweet from Madison elsewhere in the thread, Linus is going to have to go above and beyond to fix things.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 150 points 1 year ago

Jesus fuck Linus. Half the reason you are popular is because people trust your statements; and you are just flushing that away.

[–] KiriM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 1 year ago (7 children)

While not being directly related it might be worth noting that a former employee of lmg has now come forward on twitter to describe in gory detail the kind of treatment she received while working there. The culture there sounds utterly disgusting and based on their history it is all extremely believable. Link to the post

[–] StarPupil@ttrpg.network 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really makes me think they need a union. Also makes me wonder what all Linus learned from this guy who "taught me everything about management" if this is his style of management.

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Linus is explicitly anti-union. He's stated on camera that "if you treat your employees well, you don't need a union." All this bullshit coming out proves that's a fuckin' lie.

[–] kftX@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This post should be pinned. I went in not liking her because to be she came off on camera as unlikable (giving you this context so you know my mindset going in to the read).

By the end, I was sickened, disgusted and appalled at the treatment she got. I have obviously unsubbed. I was going to wait this out to see how LMG solved this but fuck them. I wish her all the best and as swift a recovery as possible.

The saddest thing is, reading that post, you can tell exactly when she's quoting linus even when she doesn't mention him.

[–] MartinXYZ@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

Is Madison the one that became popular in the community after being snarky in a video while they were building a new PC for her? I think I remember her getting a job there afterwards. If I remember correctly, she was really funny.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 51 points 1 year ago

Linus is always dropping shit, and this is no different.

Also, don't fuck with tech Jesus

[–] couragethebravedog@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's looking like Linus should have taken that $100 million offer he got and left when he had the chance.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I get that some people like working, and that business founders can be very emotionally invested in their baby.

But to imagine having $100 million waved in my face and saying “nah, I think I’ll just wake up and go to work tomorrow” is crazy to me. But I guess you can’t be a billionaire if you “settle” for nine figures and an absurdly comfortable life with nothing but free time to find new interests and see the world.

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[–] localidiot@feddit.nl 18 points 1 year ago

Wow. When you're supposed to wait and hear from both sides and this is what comes... Yikes. Went to check and read the whole response and any other replies that might have come from it on their forum and found ~115 pages (oops 2 more while writing this) of discussion after Linus' post.

[–] bron@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All I want is just good hardware reviews, the rest is noise...

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

Same, that's why i never liked that twat

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[–] binboupan@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never understood the appeal of Linus Tech Tips anyway. Anthony was great but Linus is just terrible as a host. "Oh no, Linux sucks because it is not Windows! Oh no I broke the system because I couldn't read the text on the screen!"

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[–] Animortis@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I agree with Steve on everything, this was a huge blunder and fail in messaging from Linus. But you are supposed to reach out and ask for comment before running a story. I was a news reporter and have a master's in public relations.

Edit: Called Linus "Linux"

[–] Bobert@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago

But you are supposed to reach out and ask for a comment before running a story.

In certain cases yes. This is not one. What comment could Linus have given that would contextualize the story in such a way to excuse factual information?

Steve was absolutely vindicated in refusing to ask for comment due to Linus's behavior. Had he asked for comment, Linus would have contacted Billet prior to the release. Instead, Linus makes a statement that heavily (if not outright) implies that had Steve asked for comment he would have context to know that an agreement had been made between LMG/Linus and Billet Labs before the video dropped. Because Steve did not reach out for comment we now know that this was a lie or an attempt to obfuscate the truth.

If you are extolling factual information you do not owe the subject a comment. If your work could be damaged (see above) by doing so you do not owe the subject a comment. If a person has already commented publicly you do not owe the subject a comment.

Steve reported objectively factual information that cannot be excused with any context. The story that was written at the time would have been damaged had he asked for comment. Linus has a public presence and has made his feelings known about previous scandals before, and his actual response was entirely telegraphed in tone, if not also content, by long time viewers.

There is not some ethics masterclass that would have come to the conclusion that Steve violated journalistic integrity by running this story without comment from Linus. You may not like it, but you're also not some ethics in journalism arbiter.

[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

You ask for a comment regarding an accusation, this wasn't something to get a comment for, it was the details and evidence itself which is not refutable.

If there was a claim against someone of an event that cannot be shown, you would ask them for their version of events, if the news had a clear video of an irrefutable event they would not require comment for what the video itself would clearly demonstrate.

Steve's video was demonstrable information through explicit evidence, it wasn't something that a comment would have shed light to as the only appropriate comment that could be made be a public response.

The content of the video could not have been changed and given what was demonstrated, it did not serve the viewerbase to wait for the response of the larger platform with greater reach.

Linus Tech Tips has the reach needed to be seen by at least as many viewers with their response.

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[–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree it's generally good practice to ask the subject for comment, and Steve seems to know that because he explains at length why he didn't here. I criticized him for this when the last video came out, but I thought his explanation in this new video for why he didn't contact Linus first is pretty good; I'm not sure why you're being downvoted here, but since you are a former reporter I'd be interested in hearing specifics on why you disagree with it.

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