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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638

The largest piracy community is hosted over at !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked !piracy@lemmy.ml.

If this is a problem for you, I'd suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn't block it (such as lemm.ee).

edit:

An official announcement has been made:

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[–] xaon_rider92@lemmy.world 198 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's unfortunate, but it's kinda understandable why they chose to do so. The admins are just a bunch of regular people, they may not have the financial security to risk the legal issues that could come from having any sort of piracy related content.

I guess I'll just be using my alt acc for piracy stuff.

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[–] hanke@feddit.nu 126 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn't care about stuff like this.

Maybe you shouldn't even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?

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[–] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 125 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is probably the best option for Lemmy.world. It’s not being run by a big company, after all. Normal people often get screwed when their servers have anything related to piracy on them.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Yeah. It objectively makes little sense that you can google/bing for pirated media and not from other indexes but companies like Google and Microsoft are basically untouchable. I don't think LW admins have little choice. If you look at the dude who shared Nintendo ROMs you can see that the court was out to set an example and left the services that made people find those ROMs completely alone.

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[–] fiat_lux@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

I think people greatly underestimate the expense of legal disputes, in terms of money, time and energy required. When you're going up against industry legal professionals who are backed by large companies with government influence, it's an unfair battle from the start.

I can't blame anyone for giving the possibility a wide berth, and it speaks to the need of more fediverse instances in places with better legal protections. There's a good reason why some services are based in the Caribbean - it's protection from the litigious easily fucking with your entire life with scattershot automated subpoenas.

[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 102 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I think people forget that decentralized doesn't mean anonymous, and it also doesn't mean that server admins and servers aren't beholden to local laws

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[–] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wtf dbzero was a huge proponent of the fediverse and has been a part of the recent swell in users. I don’t agree with this decision at all

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Why are so many people still on Lemmy world. We're supposed to be decentralized. One of the benefits to decentralization is that you can choose to avoid blocks like this. Stop centralizing!

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[–] AnimusAstralis@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (18 children)

And here I thought that Fediverse was serious about being an alternative to heavily censored platforms. Now I see it's just a joke.

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The only thing it's serious about is being a decentralized platform - if you want to access something, then choose an instance who'se admins are serious about being heavily censored.

It's the old adage of "if you don't like something, do something about it"

The fediverse gives you the tools and ability to surf the fediverse how you want, all through decentralization. Don't like the rules on one instance? Move, simple as that.

It's the same context of "vote with your wallet" - only put your accounts and time into instances you want to put your account on and only donate to instances you want to donate to, vote with your time and money, that's how we can make this platform better, for ourselves and for others.

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[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm late to comment, so I may be typing into the void.

I understand the admin's decision to limit their exposure to legal risk. I had similar experiences as a small business owner and you would be surprised how quickly most people's idealism is tempered by the risk of potential legal action. It's totally possible to believe strongly in the legality of something and its benefit to society (in this case piracy) and still choose to limit your own legal exposure. As far as I know, none of us paid to be here, so the polite thing to do is say "thank you for hosting us" and move on if it's not your thing (or just make a second account).

I believe our current copyright/intellectual property scheme is broken at best, and designed to fuck us out of every bit of culture that has ever existed, at worst. Piracy exists because the system is broken and the industry is entrenched and refuses to adapt to customer demands. It screws music fans, artists, and probably the individual low-level employees of many music industry companies and organizations.

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[–] Secret300@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I love these comments. It shows the federation is working. If reddit did this it was "oh no what now" but with lemmy it's just "time to move to another instance"

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[–] InternetTubes@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Ok ... do people not think that lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers? Because lawyers send out DMCA takedown notices and coerce police into taking into custody entire servers...

I guess it would be Hetzner instances, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32470266, and it would be Hetzner who would get contacted and potentially shut down lemmy.world in their case. Let's not even talk about the people launching DDoS'es against lemmy.world and how they could abuse it similarly.

It seems lemmy.world has only blocked communities, not entire servers in this case. I mean, get behind all the comments calling for a migration to "avoid instances moderated by clowns" and migrate all you want (wishing migrating was actually possible instead of simply creating new users), but I personally will stay in the server who has a code of conduct that considers legal concerns and doesn't think that just because they are on the internet in a less popular medium that will eventually grow that it will get ignored.

I'll just move if it gets taken down for incompetence or bogus reasons anyway, because all the dumb drama doesn't really matter in the fediverse.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People are missing the fundamental point of defederation. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

You can have an absolutely squeaky clean instance for memes, news and generally huge sharing communities. Instances that dont have to worry about DCMA notices or having their servers seized and you can have instances that are willing to run those risks for niche content. If legal threats start being thrown around, the meme and hobby communities dont suffer. The piracy instances can shut down, migrate and start again, making the lawyers play whackamole.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Given lemmy.world's uptime vs how well pirates keep torrent seeds up, I'd be surprised if anyone in that community actually uses lemmy.world as a primary instance lmao

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[–] SaltyLemon@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (11 children)

What's the fucking point. The community isn't even hosted on lemmy.world. I don't want to have to create a new a account on a new instance every time a dumbass admin decices to block a community I follow. Lemmy is doomed to fail.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On reddit you didnt even have the option to join a new community if it was banned or blocked. This is a better alternative

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is not difficult to deal with, setup an account on another server and stop using lemmy.world

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[–] sadreality@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Beauty of fediverse, people can just find another spot or move to another instance while most of the community continues no problem.

Just an example that system working as intended

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[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eh, so what? Migrate to another instance.

[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 42 points 1 year ago (10 children)

lemmy.world admins need a lesson on the Streisand Effect.

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago

They don't care about people using it, they might even personally do it themselves.

It's about reducing their liability, which this does just fine

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[–] loom_in_essence@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

The nice thing about federation is that we can all go fuck ourselves and die alone on our personal private servers under a bridge.

[–] diffuselight@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

piracy is the only remaining counter force to the full blown mega corp monopolies that have full price control and right now showing us that with their way above inflation extraction antics.

It’s sad it has come to this but given failure to regulate and the concentration and capture of almost everything by these companies rent seeking everyone really requires some kind of counterbalance.

I’m guessing LW is also prepping for a shareholder sellout down the road.

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[–] HaloMasyerChief@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't know why people feel indignated by this, they're just trying to save thier ass and prevent future problems with the law. Chill out

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who would win?

  • One troll account made 10 hours ago.

-the entire lemmy.world userbase.

Admins decide.

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[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (35 children)

Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I'm on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it's really fucking annoying. Like I'm not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union's genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.

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[–] transistor@lemdro.id 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow! Even Reddit hasn't shut down the Piracy subreddit.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reddit has a legal team. Rudd is just a random hobbiest with a day job.

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All for a request of a racist troll/disney bootlicker

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 32 points 1 year ago
[–] victron@programming.dev 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Who is actually "infuriated" by this? Some idiots?

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[–] HnuWETqkp4YG@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, this is goodby to lemmy.world! Rest in pieces

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[–] dinguscod@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I love all the salty comments about having to move. Its piracy, it will always be removed if it becomes too popular. This is how it has always been and always will be. No one is obligated to feed you free shit without any effort on your part. They take one place down and you move on. Either get used to it or start paying for services.

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[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One would think the devs would dedicate some time to fix this particular failing of Lemmy, because "download the entire internet of a site because one (1) user posts in one (1) community in one (1) server" is just ridiculous from a lot of standpoints, both technical and legal.

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[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Better to insulate the major instances from potential liability. If people want to find the piracy channels, they can.

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[–] Sused@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This is basically why lemmy is a hassle. One shit gets blocked, you move and register then you learn these guys are alt-right or peddle child porn or some other bullshit and then you have to register again and again. It's confusing and quite annoying.

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[–] Wussy@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Begun, the Lemmy Wars have.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Well at least lemmy.world is starting to look more and more like shit. Can't keep the servers up, keep defeding, absolute nonsense.

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[–] GenBlob@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That's disappointing. Guess I'll join another instance.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who cares. Lemmy.world sucks. I got tired of the constant server issues and switched a while ago. It took me like 5 minutes to find another instance and create an account. If my new instance does dumb shit like this, I'll just move again. Isn't this the whole point of Lemmy?

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