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Some reich-winger's tweet quoted in the article:

There has been no claim that this individual fired on FBI agents, or even that he was armed at the time of the fatal altercation today. Apparently a giant squad of militarized personnel was incapable of apprehending a 75 year old man without gunning him down on his doorstep.

In Buffalo, a 75 year old man who was trying to turn in lost property; the police shoved him to the ground so hard that he was bleeding from his head, but they just stepped over his body. Breonna Taylor was sleeping when cops raided the wrong apartment. Charles Kinsey was shot lying facedown in the street with his hands in the air while trying to protect his autistic patient.

They're fine with all the other "poor outcome" police shootings in this country, they only get upset and fearful when one of "their own" is shot.

This commentary is reminiscent of the radical right’s reactions to the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992, an 11-day standoff in Idaho between federal agents and the family of Randy Weaver, a Christian fundamentalist affiliated with the far-right white separatist movement. The standoff resulted in the deaths of Weaver’s wife, son, and a federal marshal.

Dude... Ruby Ridge was a big deal because the FBI shot Randy Weaver in the back while he was lifting the latch to his shed to see his son's body, and then kept shooting at him as he and his family was running back to his cabin, hitting and killing his wife while she was holding their baby. It was a huge deal for a lot of people, Randy Weaver was found not guilty of any "siege-related charges" and awarded $3 million in damages, and the DOJ extensively revised their policies as a result.

Craig Deleeuw threatened to kill the president, and then according to the FBI and I see no reason to doubt them, was pointing his weapon at the FBI when they shot him. Whatever Randy Weaver did to create the Ruby Ridge confrontation, I don't think it's fair to compare the reaction to that to the reaction to this.

Craig DeLeeuw Robertson was an American retiree from Provo, Utah who allegedly threatened online to assassinate President of the United States Joe Biden and other government officials and was subsequently shot and killed by agents of the FBI on August 9, 2023 when they attempted to execute search and arrest warrants.

He allegedly referenced the president's scheduled Thursday visit to Utah and threatened to dig out camouflage gear and a rifle.

In other posts, Robertson identifies himself as a “MAGA TRUMPER” and describes one of his rifles as a “DEMOCRAT ERADICATOR.”

The complaint included screenshots from Robertson’s profile where he threatened to shoot (New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who is prosecuting a criminal case against former President Donald Trump) in a courthouse parking garage. But when FBI agents confronted Robertson, he said it was a dream, according to the complaint.

Days after FBI agents spoke with Robertson on March 19 and told him they were investigating his social media posts, Robertson started posting content addressed to the FBI itself. He often said he knew they were watching what he was posting, and that the agents who spoke to him came close to being shot.

Additional info from: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/10/what-we-know-about-provo-man/

So they didn't march in and assassinate him; they've been trying to get him to calm down since March and he still posts threats...

Far right figures will always claim this and stoke stochastic terrorism. So go vote in 2024. Actually, go vote in every local election. We got a lot of terrorism fixing to do.

I mean if you make your intent of murder clear, then yes, you run the risk of authorities killing you while trying to detain you.

Projection is at the core of GOP

I would worry. If the Biden administration wanted you dead they would

Step 1: conduct polls on the matter

Step 2: send a begging letter to the GOP asking for permission

Step 3: open negotiations with the GOP and gives them whatever they want.

Step 4: spend ten months at Town hall meeting to convince the liberal base

Step 5: get approval from Congress

Step 6: fight the court battles

Step 7: lose in the Supreme Court when Roberts vomits all over it.

Step 8: repeat the process with a watered down version, maybe not kill me, maybe just give me a head injury and let god decide.

.....

You would be fine for at least 20 years and then get a letter saying "you are a bad person.". Not even a !

We are all domestic terrorists

It explains their concern...

Orwell on Hitler:

It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon.

Like the cop who beats up his wife, then cries because she made him do it, and convinces himself he's really the victim of the whole debacle.

well, if they’re shifting the definition of “conservative” to what others call a “domestic terrorist who made death threats against the President and then had a shootout with the FBI rather than surrender,” then yeah, they should watch out.

Haha the far right have been threatening to kill liberals for a few years now and are itching for an real civil war. Most of the threats I read about are made in their Telegram channels, but they all say how they're stocking up on guns and ammo and waiting for the go-ahead.

Just more projection, since conservatives have been getting away with murder openly for decades.

Whatever, they've been claiming that for years. They said the Clintons would come kill them because of Waco.

The guy was going into detail about what it would like to see his victims dying. I haven't seen info on what exactly triggered the shooting.

One guy pointed out his age and "Why did they need all those cops?". I don't care if you are 75, you can still pull the trigger on a semi-auto gun.

Of course they are. Their entire political ideology is based on fear. They know their voters are cowards, and they need them to remain that way. If they can be property scared, they can be properly controlled.

The tips to the FBI came from truth social

Snake choked on its own tail today.

Fear mongering far right "journalists" terrifying fragile old, broken white men until they threaten the president's life constantly. Then the FBI knocks on their door in seemingly valid response and the fragile, frightened old man likely comes to the door with a loaded AR-15, a grenade belt and a blue lives matter t-shirt. His heroes in law enforcement, who are at the same time infallible super beings and complicit traitors tell him to drop the weapon, he refuses... And no more Walter.

The next day, the same fear mongering far right "journalists" tell the "story" of Walter, an innocent martyr, silenced by the JOE BRANDON!

Con artists and cowards.

What about Freedom of Speech and 2A?

Why can't I buy a ton of guns and ammo and send death threats while drawing detailed maps of each target and how I plan to commit those actions with a detailed agenda?

HOW IS THAT AGAINST THE LAW?!

Funny thing is that, purportedly, the FBI originally got a tip about him from Truth Social.

Keep making direct terrorist threats and watch what happens.

Well I mean if they are going to make these claims, who are we to disappoint them???

But threatening to murder people online is protected by mUh FiRsT aMeNdMeNt rights!

At least conservatives are acknowledging that they're terrorists