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[–] BURN@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hot take

The internet was already ruined. It’s no longer the same place it was in 2016 or 2010 or 2000. It’s become a corporate hellhole where you can’t get away from tracking, monitoring and other shady practices no matter what you do. Almost nothing is free and open and everything is designed to milk as much money out of the product.

AI is just accelerating this. Makes me think of the “old net” in Cyberpunk2077. Infested with rouge AI that have turned it into a battleground.

[–] Knusper@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lukewarm counter-take: That non-commercial internet is still out there.

As long as there's nerds, there's going to be nerds building stuff for the fun of it. Building your Lemmys, your Fediverses, your Geminis etc..

There is definitely more legislation now, dissuading some percentage of nerds, but we also have a lot more nerds...

[–] fulano@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago

Even places like lemmy or mastodon aren't safe anymore. Everything that is public can be, and is, data mined by some corporation. There will be bot accounts or paid people pushing their agenda. And several other things.

It's not a technical problem. We can have places that are better than the average, but the corporations will still put their tentacles in.

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Even the non-commercial spaces are commercial. I’ve seen a bunch of thing disguised ads on here already. The fediverse is no different than the rest of the net. The big corps are still monitoring everything.

Every “nerd” I meet now wants out asap. The only ones who don’t seem to be pushing blockchain or AI. The tech sphere I loved is well and truly gone. The people are so profit driven nothing else can matter.

[–] pijon@lemdro.id 3 points 1 year ago

2000 or 2010 maybe (too young to know) but I'm not sure I see any difference between now and 2016. The only major new thing I can think of is tiktok but it didn't ruin the internet.

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

So its just like real life

[–] whatisallthis@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

It’s just the normal capitalist cycle.

  1. New thing invented
  2. Golden age of thing
  3. Corporations figure out how to engineer thing for maximum profit
  4. Thing sucks
[–] kjwill@lemmy.kjwill.tech 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Published on a site with loads of AI-generated articles

[–] academician@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be the ultimate irony if this article was, itself, generated by AI. Based on the article's "voice", I doubt it is, but in this brave new world...one must always wonder.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

An AI writing about why it sucks? How human.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

TL;DR; - The internet is getting shittier at ludicrous speed, thanks to AI bots. Expect the next generation of AI to be even worse, as it's likely to be fed the shit the current AI is dropping everywhere.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It'd be funny if a lot of bots get discontinued just because the tools can no longer discern real and fake content and just become unusable.

They already can't. They just rely on the assumption that most of the data they collect is correct. Which is generally true, there is more correct than incorrect content on the internet. The inability of the bots to discern incorrect data coupled with their ability to make it sound authoritative is what makes them dangerous.

[–] teft@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Who wants to bet that the powers that be will make a CAPTCHA that you have to decide if the text is written by human or AI.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reminds me of an iconic film....

[–] rephlekt2718@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

oh god, human centipede??

[–] stackcheese@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

capitalism and the rich** ftfy just like they're destroying the earth and space

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[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh no who could've possibly seen this coming? Literally everyone, it turns out.

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's two twitter clones from two tech billionaires in just six months. Capitalism truly breeds innovation.

What's the other Twitter clone (other than Threads)?

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago
[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good read. I love that suburb meme as an analogy of what the internet is going to look like. IMO it's already there.

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Thank you :D I also thought it was a good analogy, especially since we've just accepted it as inevitable. Even with all the urbanism revival enthusiasm on the internet, they never push for beauty, just practical stuff like walkability, public transit, etc. It's good stuff, but I want bread and roses too.

And yes, it's getting there fast, if it's not already there. I remember in 2015, when people still loved google, and I started talking about what I then called "The Apple Crisp Problem." In a span of just a couple years, googling recipes went from super useful to entirely SEO blogs of maybe-not-real women in their late thirties named "Kate" taking their dog named "Pancake" to the orchard to pick the perfect apples for her also-not-real nana's apple crisp recipe. Recipes were one of the leading indicators. Now it's just everything. Super lame.

[–] jmp242@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago

What's interesting is this is also kind of a circle of tech moment too. At least for me, search has been sort of killed (or google search anyway), but it's just back to the Internet of 1997 again, where we have "sort of useful" "search engines", some walled gardens like AOL was, and maybe webrings or the original sort of Yahoo! curated link / subject sites / lists.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just as bad, if not worse, than the blockchain craze that came before it.

[–] Heresy_generator@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is worse. Blockchains didn't do anything except extract money from suckers, which is bad but has a very limited impact. There were no valid applications, nothing they could do cheaper or better, so they just existed in their own separate world of scammers and grifters. AI is appropriating people's work to shit up the internet we all use with nonsense and will continue to be used because it has valid applications: creating bad art or vapid text without having to pay anyone.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Blockchains didn’t do anything except extract money from suckers

And consume more energy than Egypt. And drive GPU prices through the roof for a couple of years.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 year ago

So are all the humans.

[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like with "cheap" AI we're entering a dark age of tech.

Eventually everything will, the tools and the tech will get more mature and sort itself out but for a couple of months/years we will be confronted with bad AI news , bad AI games, bad AI art, etc

I'm pretty confident a day will come were AI will be seen as a tool and that pure AI generated content will be seen the equivalent of a bad JavaScript game or a cheap knock clone.

[–] stackcheese@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Capitalism* ftfy

[–] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The internet is a place where people can connect from across the world, bringing them closer together and allowing the free exchange of information. It's unfortunate that it is being more and more locked down and controlled by business and government interests looking to isolate, control, and monetize people. AI isn't the only tool being used to ruin the internet, but it's damn effective.

[–] stackcheese@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"free exchange" is being capitalized by the rich.
there are countries going through brain drain, this is the internet/world going through a brain drain global recession/dark age

[–] Tigbitties@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Google made the recipy for the shitty internet cake and put it in the oven. AI is the icing.

[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This stuff is only economical at scale, it makes no sense to set up an AI spambot farm on startrek.website because you’ll just get banned and you’ll have to do all the ban evasion stuff you have to do on, say, Facebook but for a site with a hundredth of the daily active users

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago

For now.

Right now, there can be value in using a bot net to create 10000 AI driven bots that look like humans but have a coordinated agenda on Reddit. As that value drops, I expect that smaller and smaller forums will get inundated with these bot networks.