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His lawyer made a great point about how law enforcement and the media threw "alleged" out the window and just insisted he did it...
What's disappointing is it's apparently working because when I do see and "allegedly" thrown in, people are down voting it like it's a conspiracy.
People always want to act like propaganda can't effect them, but the whole country immediately accepted that he was guilty because of a tiny change in reporting from the norm.
But especially with the wrinkle that someone brought it up to the McD's worker and then she snitched....
I think the cop's have a reason they're sure, it's just they got that reason illegally thru means we're not supposed to know they have. Which explains a lot of shit.
Frankly I still question if he’s a lookalike scapegoat so the police can save face and try to put it to bed. May also explain the odd “planted” evidence that is being mentioned.
Eh, if he was a real random fall guy, they wouldn't have picked a rich handsome guy in his mid 20s.
Like, it's almost most definitely him...
But fuck the cops, fuck the wealthy, and fuck the healthcare industry. They need to prove it beyond reasonable doubt and all those groups are habitual liars.
So if I was on the jury, they'd need a lot of evidence and need to be able to explain how they got it. They used some illegal spy tech shit because it's a rich victim? Then all evidence gained after gets thrown out.
Yeah, and NYPD wouldn't have gone so far out of state so quickly. If I was trying to grab a fall guy as fast as possible, I would have picked up the nearest criminal I knew that looked vaguely like him and might have had motive.
Nah, that part I get, they knew shooter came in on a bus, so they grab someone on a bus.
The gun, silencer, and manifesto could have been from the central park bag.
It'd just be crazy they wrapped the one guy on a Greyhound bus with generational wealth.
His best defense is pushing that angle, the "but how did you find me?"
Like, this part has barely been mentioned:
https://www.newsweek.com/mcdonalds-worker-luigi-mangione-private-security-1999217
To me it's more likely that customer was a fed or law enforcement, they already knew he was there, they just needed a legal way to act on that. There's been a big push to put all the blame on the fast food worker, but I have a feeling stuff like that would have kept happening and may not even have been the first person told.
It's no "jet fuel can't melt steel beams", but you could build a legal defense on this that results in all charges thrown out.
No doubt all kinds of face recognition NSA spy shit without a warrant
They don't need facial recognition, there's gait recognition that's just as good.
However I don't think that's what it was because Luigi's back issues would have introduced variations in gait that make it much harder.
It's 2024 bro....
That's all stuff we knew about 20 years ago, I think what they used is something we can't even guess at. Once we find out it'll sound like common sense like gait recognition and savvier criminals will account for it by doing things like wearing different sized shoes or even putting tacks in their shoes.
But until people know what's being used, they can't beat it reliably, which is why they do these parallel investigations to hide how they really do it (only applicable when one of the elites are victims).
I suspect the Ministry of Silly Walks will start receiving a lot of new grant requests soon if you're correct about gait recognition being used in this case.
He's not saying they used gait recognition, he's saying they probably used something high-tech that no one has heard of. The public has know about gait analysis, voice analysis, handwriting analysis, etc for a long time.
The public doesn't know about gait analysis.
I don't think this is any real secret squirrel shit, I think it they're just trying to conceal the identity of the person who made the tip.
Which is understandable, I'm sure if they were identified they'd get death threats.
You don't know about gait analysis. A quick search would show you its not "squirrel shit." Lots of research papers are available from the past 10+ years about using it for surveillance, and there's even a wiki page.
I know about gait analysis. If you go talk to people on the street, they won't.
That's not what I meant when I said the public knows.
There's another case I have a strong suspicion about. Some "random guy at the bar" tipped off the FBI about a guy they've been watching for years. They claim they printed out the picture matching the name/description and the agent recognised him immediately as someone he had questioned once and snapped him up. Was one of those guys planning to blow shit up but I don't get why they couldn't get a fucking warrant for that.
Why not? Luigi Mangione is closer to pleb status than billionaire status. He's not in the class that the police protect, why would they have any qualms about framing him?
Wouldn't shock me. Police always want things to be done in open and shut cases all of the time. Makes their job easier.
This conspiracy theory doesn't make any sense to me. All the "real killer" would have to do would be to kill someone else and the entire deception would fail.
Or be happy they know they got away with it.
But the cops wouldn't know that. Why would they take the gamble that their entire ruse could easily be undone? Again, it doesn't make sense to me.
Cops: "That's just a copycat/nutjob."
Who looks like the guy in the original images?
I mean if we're going to go all crazy conspiracy, maybe they gave Mangione super fast plastic surgery too?
Let's hope there are a lot of "real killers" out there waiting for their chance.
"So Luigi has a copycat eh? This is why the people who idolize Mangione are the problem! Never forget Bob Thomas or whatever that fucker's name was."
A copycat who looks just like the person in the first images?
Again, this just doesn't make sense to me.
He doesn't though
Is this one of those "who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes" situations?
I'm not the first to point out that the guy in the security camera footage isn't even the same skintone as Luigi
Do you think they white balance security cameras every time they turn them on? Because you need to do that to try to get accurate colour.
I feel like people want it to be him because they want to know who did it, not because they're angry but because they want someone to identify with.
Without wanting to sound like a conspiracy nut, the evidence against him is too convenient. I mean sure he probably did it, but who plans the murder of a high-profile target, escapes the initial manhunt, and then walks around carrying the murder weapon, multiple fake IDs, and a manifesto basically confessing to it? And if you're the type of person to write a manifesto and expect to be caught, why would you run away in the first place?
Yeah, the whole thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He went through all that effort to not get caught in the first place, but then just kept the murder weapon, backpack, same outfit, and everything? Unless he wanted to get caught, but then why did he run at all?
Yeah, it doesn't fit with me either. It's like a professional did the killing and then they apprehended a clueless imbecile.
Because it's planted and this aint the count
I've been noticing this on NPR, but they're weirdly cagey about it. Kind of like if a shitty editor went over the script and added "allegedly" to where it needs to, but only in places that are phrased in a specific way (not saying they're doing that).
Would you say they're allegedly doing that?
A lot of people are asking this question
They realize by treating him like a special case, they're basically letting him walk.
Yeah the only reason I think he did it is I was already pretty sure they would catch him. When I first heard about it I knew there were probably already hundreds of FBI agents just looking for the one guy. The mcdonalds story is hinky as shit but I almost guarantee they got the right guy. They just don't want to have to be honest about whatever weird backdoor they've got installed on all of our technology a) because they don't want to give up their strategy but also b) its probably super illegal and not even remotely admissible in court.
Yea we got the guy! And he had the same kind of weapon on him so we know how he did it! And he had the same fake id! And a hand written manifesto! He just takes all that stuff to breakfast at mcdonalds. Totally normal thing to do
Is he even claiming they got the wrong guy? I feel like if he had a different story or an alibi, we'd have heard it by now. He did it.
That said, if I'm on the jury (hypothetically. I can't be.) I'm voting not guilty. I wouldn't convict any of the soldiers who went after Osama. Same thing. You've got an enemy who has killed thousands of Americans and is conventionally untouchable. So someone took him out. That's a hero, not a criminal.
Im not going to pretend to know legal strategy or that the media is conveying what hes saying. He has entered a "not guilty" plea, so you could say that hes saying it wasnt him. Other than that, ive heard no actual statement from him or his attorney on the matter
Edit for clarity
I'm thinking they either violated the 4th Amendment so hard that any conviction would be impossible, or this isn't their guy.
I'm not so sure the cops are actually sure, there are enough questions around how all this shook out, none of it really adds up well, so either they're hiding the evidence that links this shit together, or they're railroading someone who looks like the guy who flashed a smile (who we don't even know for sure is the shooter) so they can look good by closing the case fast and making an example of him.
My money is on illegal surveillance from an alphabet agency
They want to idolize him, it's hard to idolize the falsely accused.
Yet I'd say the fact that they're just saying "He did it!" at the first guy who fit the description...... Is even more proof that the system is fucked and highlights the very thing Brian was rightfully slain over.