It wasn't even exactly that. It was MILLIONS of people who voted Democrat previously just sitting this one out. I don't think there are 15 Million "Gaza or bust" voters so this was just pure ignorance...

"Trump is horrible, but the Democrats made inflation. I'm not voting for either." (Conveniently forgetting COVID and the necessary cash injection that helped keep people paying bills on time and kept businesses afloat to be there to rehire when lockdowns ended.) Ignorance...

Not that it was perfectly executed by any stretch of the imagination, but the alternative was everyone "non-essential" goes broke and businesses everywhere collapse. There was no world where we just didn't do lockdowns, we don't have the luxury of hindsight when something new happens obviously. We probably didn't need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I would be utterly shocked if the Gaza issue lost her that many votes.

It's utterly detestable how short voter memory is.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hey now, you cannot blame voters. Only rage into the void about Democrats, that's the only thing that can help. I mean it clearly worked before, right!? /s

Source: many Lemmy users.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Down the street, a guy’s house burned down. Of course, we all blame him for it - and his failure to find a message that resonated with the firefighters, to motivate them to come save the building.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Lol I hate that your analogy made me laugh because it's awful but all I have else to do is cry, so thanks?

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Crassus approves.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…

I believe there were 15 million "oh look, Harris is besties with Liz Cheney and continuing the half assed approach that Dems keep doing so who fucking cares' people. I totally see why her poll numbers kept dropping over the course of her campaign after a strong start.

I still voted for her, but at that point is was just another vote against Republicans.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

All these people on these threads blaming it on the voters when Harris had it in her power to run a different campaign is just lazy. Harris not only had a brake she could pull to stop the "trolley", she had a damned steering wheel to steer completely away from running people over, and she made a choice not to. Dont blame the peasants for shit leadership.

Every single swing state lost. Both congress and the house lost. Thats a badly out of touch party, not stupid voters.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I call them ignorant voters, even the really stupid ones. They are a product of decades of GOP manipulation. But why can't it be both them and a party that is totally clueless of what needs to change to reach people. The combination is exactly what you get, people who aren't aware of reality and are just going towards the only party that is saying exactly what they want to hear (true or not).

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

that I can absolutely agree with. Its refreshing to hear someone put forth multiple reasons-- everyone wants to zero in on just 1, which is human nature, I guess.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I think that takes more thought than even those who vote with us do. I think we seriously overestimate the political intelligence of the people in this country. Not to say 0% were those people, but if we're talking millions I think we're talking about typical ignorance.

I think the vast majority vote D for social issues, but once their pocketbook gets hurt it's time to sit it out or worse "punish" the party in power by voting for the opposition. :(

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They succeeded in punishing the party. For a price. We'll revisit later if it was worth it.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

if you listen to interviews of non voters they're not even online. Ever. Like we need more people reaching out to real humans in the real world. they don't listen to news they arent online. I don't think democrats were ever going to win this one, too many voters are entirely unreachable.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It would take 100 years minimum to undo the damage that will be done, so I'm going to say "not worth it".

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The damage to the environment will never be undone. The US will double-down on emissions and most other countries in the world will stop trying because they won't think there's any point anymore.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh it will recover alright. About a million years after we go extinct. So in about 1.00005 million years.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Extinction is going to take more than fifty years

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Probably. I think nukes could do it in 20 years, but ecological collapse will be a brutal 200 years

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

So they thought through what it means to associate with a Cheney, but at the same time didn't care enough to do anything about this situation? I don't buy it. Apathy lost this election. And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn't the right takeaway.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -3 points 4 days ago

You will never admit that moving to the right has failed.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.

Agreed, which is why I still voted despite sharing the same demotivation.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns

Maybe the world where Trump implemented the pandemic response plan that Obama left for him. But, no, we got Mr. Inject-Bleach-And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 5 days ago

And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.

At least then they could say they had a bright idea!

...I'll see myself out.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Hey, so the 15 million thing isn't true. That was the number before all of the votes came in. She actually gained votes in battleground states, but lost them in non-battleground states (states that didn't really matter). Just a heads up. We need to be using facts here (not trying to attack, just trying to get that information out).

[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You're right but it's 12 million less than Biden got so your not really establishing anything other than the number was a little less in the final tally. Everything they said is exactly right with 15 million or 12 million.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago

I appreciate the correction!

[–] UristMcHolland@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

We probably didn't need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(

Gee I wonder why that happened. Couldn't have been this

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 5 days ago

the inflation is worse than that. trump droped rates from obamas 3 or 4 percent to zero before covid. I repeat before the covid emergency which is when you might drop them a percent or so.