this post was submitted on 01 Jul 2024
871 points (99.0% liked)

politics

19097 readers
3867 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 140 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Not “may have,” did. They did legalize any action taken by the person holding the office of the presidency. Trump tried to have his VP killed for fucks sake. That actually happened. It’s no longer the case that everyone in America is equal under the law. The president is now legally allowed to do anything that would get the rest of us thrown in jail. This society isn’t even pretending to be equal anymore. We’re finished.

I’m so fucking tired, and I feel like that was one of the main points of this. Dems are too exhausted and afraid of taking big actions to do anything about this, so like I said, we’re finished.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 26 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Didn't they just legalize "any" official action?

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, and that’s how this court is so tricky. By not fully defining what an “official act” is, they’re claiming the power to decide later. Because that very issue will inevitably reach them after some batshit district court ruling. So they ultimately get to decide regardless, and this court regularly makes up ahistorical and completely absurd justifications that don’t pass the smell test, so we’re doomed.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 33 points 4 months ago

Easy.

Republican: Legal. Democrat: Illegal.

[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They do, and it will only be "official" when a Republican does it. Once they control the courts, it's game over. Nothing short of unstacking the court will avert a fascist dictatorship.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 4 months ago

I do find it amusing that SCOTUS made a ruling that legalizes having them assassinated as an "official act" though. After all, being in contact with intelligence agencies is definitely an official act as is writing pardons, so he can always pardon the assassin(s) afterward.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They remanded to the lower courts to determine that. But like it does have some implication. They definitely did not say everything the president does is an official action.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And who gets to decide if a lower court decision stands? You guessed it, the Supreme Court. This was always going to be their ultimate decision.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So doesn’t that mean the US didn’t really ever have separation of powers? Sounds like the door to fascism wasn’t locked and we just used the honour system.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that’s unfortunately right. So much of the American system is based on norms and ideals that we trusted our leaders to respect. The Supreme Court has seized their authority, and since they refuse to recognize Congressional oversight (the Chief Justice has regularly refused to appear before Congress), there’s very little we can do.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Congress. Since Congress isn't functional, that means whatever the president does is now legal.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Yes...any action the president takes and say it's part of his official duties is legal.

Biden doesn't have the balls to do what he needs to do right now.

The great experiment failed.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

As far as I can tell, yup. And by official, it basically means anything done while in office, so he could theoretically walk out onto Pennsylvania Avenue, spray a group of protestors holding signs with an M16, and walk back inside with no legal repercussions.

[–] DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s no longer the case that everyone in America is equal under the law.

Is there a "never has been" version of the "always has been" meme?

Them taking the mask off and being open about it is serious and dangerous don't get me wrong, but lets not pretend the law is, or ever was written nor administered equally - filthy rich and powerful white men in particular have always put themselves above it.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Nah unfortunately you’re 100% right, it has never actually been equal in practice. But at least we all could delude ourselves into thinking that we were striving towards that principle. It’s all laid bare now, and it’s fucking ugly. The fact that they’ve been actively working towards these very goals with laser focus, for decades, makes it all the worse.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I'm fucken angry. We need to get together. We need to protest. We need to do it relentlessly on their doorsteps until the country is in distinction from us not showing up to work. Its either that or fascism wins.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

There’s nothing Congress can do with Republican control of the House.

[–] canitendtherabbits@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I see the /s but she says she will file articles of impeachment against one member of the Supreme Court once Congress is back. And it's about time. They should all be bogging everything down with this until the election because it's that important.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Articles that will be immediately shot down by the Republican house majority and probably a few spoilers as well because they need to make it more obvious they want a real dictatorship.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Guaranteed they do, but every member of the house that cares about democracy should bring their own. The Congress should be nothing but this until the election. Let the Republicans go on record everyday until the election denouncing democracy.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 months ago

Idk where you've been, but they've been actively denouncing democracy since 2020 every chance they get. And continue to get elected by doing so.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

AoC falls out a window in the next 4 years...I'm pretty sure there's going to be a lot of high profile Democrats having accidents as soon as Trump gets back in the chair.