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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 252 points 4 months ago (3 children)

This is literally explicitly legalized fascism and its the law of the land right now. Even if Biden wins he needs to do something to stop this before he leaves office or the US will forever be exactly as fascist as the President decides he wants to be. It's here now.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (28 children)

There’s not much he can do short of committing a crime himself. Democrats don’t have control of the House, so there no way to increase the size of SCOTUS. They were smart in ruling bribery is legal before granting immunity, or Biden would have been able to officially order the DOJ to investigate SCOTUS for corruption.

His hands are tied unless he wants to get blood on them.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 78 points 4 months ago (37 children)

His hands are VERY TIED unless of course he decides whatever he does is Official Presidential Actions!

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[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 months ago

Blood on his hands from BLM protesters, Palestinians, trans people, Ukrainians who could use the support more than Israel, most Americans who don't have enough to live with life threatening illnesses, Mexicans at the border, ignoring COVID...

Fuck the Court. It doesn't care about America. The penalty for teason is...?

If you or I did anything close to what Trump and the Courts did and do on a daily basis we'd be arrested in a high security prison. Jan 6th had next to no punishment for any of the leaders.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 14 points 4 months ago

It's literally not a crime if the president does it.

There's lots he can do besides killing people if you are creative.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Its time to get blood on them

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[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Kill Trump, kill scouts. Problem solved.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Hey, the Boy Scouts are getting better, no need to kill them!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

Sorry dude. Order's in from Flavortown. Scouts gotta watch their backs

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

in all honesty, that's what you Americans need to do. the days of peaceful protests and marching are behind you, you missed that boat a while ago. now a ship named "Revolution" has just pulled into dock and if you're not on that boat then there's no more boats coming.

Stop using the excuse of "but I need to work, I have to pay rent, I have to pay bills" because in 4 months time you might not have a job to pay those bills or rent. hell depending on if you're a woman, LGBTQ+, liberal, black, an immigrant, etc, etc, etc you might have none of the above.

The American people and the country as a whole are literally, currently, right now in real time dying by a thousand cuts. you're being slowly and methodically murdered with precision and too many of you don't realize you're dying. Time to demand heads on pikes and if they aren't handed to you, well you need to go out and get them.

One way or another people are going to die. I mean I'm not going to sugar coat this, people will die.

So the question is would you rather die laying on your back doing nothing or would you rather die saving whats left of your nation and fighting for your fellow American?

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[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 140 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Not “may have,” did. They did legalize any action taken by the person holding the office of the presidency. Trump tried to have his VP killed for fucks sake. That actually happened. It’s no longer the case that everyone in America is equal under the law. The president is now legally allowed to do anything that would get the rest of us thrown in jail. This society isn’t even pretending to be equal anymore. We’re finished.

I’m so fucking tired, and I feel like that was one of the main points of this. Dems are too exhausted and afraid of taking big actions to do anything about this, so like I said, we’re finished.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 26 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Didn't they just legalize "any" official action?

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Exactly, and that’s how this court is so tricky. By not fully defining what an “official act” is, they’re claiming the power to decide later. Because that very issue will inevitably reach them after some batshit district court ruling. So they ultimately get to decide regardless, and this court regularly makes up ahistorical and completely absurd justifications that don’t pass the smell test, so we’re doomed.

[–] Wiz@midwest.social 33 points 4 months ago

Easy.

Republican: Legal. Democrat: Illegal.

[–] nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Who says what is official?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They do, and it will only be "official" when a Republican does it. Once they control the courts, it's game over. Nothing short of unstacking the court will avert a fascist dictatorship.

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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 110 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Earlier today I was writing about how we are in a full blown constitutional crisis now. Then I realized that we aren’t. The crisis is over and the Supreme Court chose to abandon the constitution. The crisis was happening before this decision was made, but very few people were aware or alarmed about it. We are now in a state where I doubt there’s any legal recourse. We’ve moved on to another stage and that terrifies me.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 89 points 4 months ago (2 children)

weird that the constitution says nothing about "immunity" but the courts keep creating various forms of it. Its almost like we explicitly need an amendment that says courts are not allowed to declare things "immune" from the law.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 54 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It's crazy because so much of the constitution is about ensuring no one is above the law, because they were trying to get away from a monarchy. Somehow this SC either can't read or understand the constitution though because here we are.

[–] docAvid@midwest.social 26 points 4 months ago

Oh, they can read, they know exactly what they are doing. The Republic has had enemies within from the start, and now they control the most powerful branch of government.

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 51 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember: Fuck Mitch McConnell

[–] Bdtrngl@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't have sex with turtles, you'll get salmonella.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Would be a shame Dark Brandon used his newfound powers to execute the supreme court for treason.

[–] AlbertSpangler@lemmings.world 23 points 4 months ago

The powers now suddenly granted are decided entirely by the SC for what they seem "official/unofficial". Those jokes about how they'd try and do "immunity, but only for trump"?

That's what they've done.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Cam I start calling the US authoritarian now?

[–] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe not quite yet, but if Trump does win then Project 2025 will certainly mean that they'll be authoritarian before you can say "well fuck"

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Bit past that now. From the outside, the US is looking a bit like a failed state now.

[–] Foni@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (6 children)

No, from Europe I tell you, we see you as less democratic than you used to and with many problems that can escalate and screw you up (we are not celebrating here either), but you are still far from being a failed state, there are still police more or less functional, you can still call the fire department if your house catches fire, there is still a clear institutional hierarchy, more authoritarian but clear.

Yes, the speed at which you are flushing democracy down the toilet, when, I don't know maybe 20 years ago, you were the example to follow in many aspects, it is surprising for everyone.

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[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 29 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You know in the game Secret Hitler when the board has sufficiently advanced into fascism that it becomes strategic for the liberals to vote fascism and unlock a bullet? Honestly makes me think of that.

Not saying this is what needs to happen. I honestly don't know how americans can do to get out of their quagmire.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

It goes by beyond murder. It includes terrorism by goons blessed by government pardons - MAGAs included if they step out of line. All dissent will be crushed. He warned us of his intention but some are way too stupid to understand.

[–] HogsTooth@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How can Biden use this for good? Healthcare? Marijuana legalization? Reinstate abortion? Guns? Income inequality?

We're in unmarked territory and all I can think of are the abuses. Does somebody have a little hope they can spare?

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Problem is, it’s up to the courts to decide what is and isn’t “official us business”. As of now, everything Trump does will be “official”, and nothing Biden does would be “official”.

Doesn’t matter what is fair and even cause Republicans don’t play by that game.

[–] HogsTooth@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Could an Executive Order be given? It's hard to argue that's not official.

[–] wagesj45@kbin.run 16 points 4 months ago

The Supreme Court isn't really interested in arguments, it seems. They're starting at conclusions and working backwards. In a sane world, you're probably right with the logic. But in a sane world we wouldn't have made it to this point to begin with.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I once made up an idea for an action thriller, called "President Psycho", where a serial killer gets elected as the president, and immediately legalizes murder involving brutal torture for himself and his friends, if committed to the "right target". God my ideas are becoming reality before even realizing them, and the worst is that I had an idea for an edgy magical girl metroidvania that set in a dystopian world which has been completely overthrown by fascists, all while I just started to take more seriously a much more simpler and smaller game idea (Arkanoid clone that is basically a hacking minigame but bigger).

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[–] takeda@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I highly recommend the following book: "On Tyranny: twenty lessons from the Twenty Century"

There's also reading of it by the author on YouTube.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

For how long this took — for the mere fact they took this case — and given their previous rulings, I'm more stunned the experts are stunned.

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