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It clearly has nothing to do with the dairy lobby pushing hard everywhere to prevent people from switching to ecologically and humanely better alternative because they don't want to lose the fat subsidies they get from the government.
They try to push these legislations under the guise that it could induce the consumer in error, my ass.
Let's blame fun cartoons instead.
Let's not forget the cost with their lives the cows have to bear for us to get milk.
Forcefully impregnated, their babies taken away to be slaughtered as veal or to become milk cows. And all that for a fraction of their lifespan only to be slaughtered when their milk production starts to decline...
https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02042021/meat-dairy-lobby-climate-action/
At least sometimes there is a bit of push back: https://www.just-food.com/news/eu-rejects-dairy-lobby-proposals-to-restrict-plant-based-alternatives/
I appreciate the passion, my comment was still just a joke though.
That being said, I saw oat milk yesterday at the same price as cow milk. In other words, not even the financial incentive is left for me to buy cow milk.
Hey thanks for the precision. The frustration was not directed at you directly, moreso at the argument I thought you were making, I apologize for that. I have just heard this fallacious argument so many time in real life used seriously that I react strongly to it.
Oh, I understand that. So many industries pull all kinds of bs to look better than they have any business to, it really is infuriating.
NGL spy milk is fire in coffee
I still (currently) prefer milk (lactose free (specifically dairy gold fit)) in my tea though
Spy milk just has the wrong texture for tea IMO
Edit: Meant soy but it got autocorrected to spy. I'm going to leave it as it's too funny to not.
Spy milk sounds like what Bond girls are left with at the hotel room
Or maybe just because they aren't actually milk
I guess words can't be used in different context, especially when the plant-based alternatives are drop-in replacement for animal milks and the term has been used for hundreds of year to describe both plant-based milky substances and animal secretions.
Source: https://english.stackexchange.com/a/478323
Milk of the poppy, milk thistle, milk of magnesia...
it's almost like the word means a white liquid, of which mammalian breast milk is one type.
hardly any calves become veal at all. it's a slim percentage.
The dairy industry can have a little cruelty to calves, as a treat.
no on is ok with cruelty
If you buy the products, you're complicit. Sounds like people are pretty okay with it to me.
i buy petroleum products. i disagree with most of the aspects of their procurement, distribution, and use. if i stop buying them, none of that changes.
Petroleum production decreases as we implement alternatives. Are you really going to tell me this isn't the case? 🤣
ETA: You know, for someone named commie, you're spouting a lot of neoliberal nonsense. "Ah, no sense trying to change anything even if we don't agree with it."
that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying being vegan isn't an effective way to change anything.
journey of a thousand miles, etc.
this platitude doesn't make buying beans an effective way to reduce the ecological burden of agriculture
neither is fatalism an effective way to encourage change
i'm not being fatalistic. i just don't believe buying beans is an effective way to fix the ecological problems of agriculture.
From what I've learned, this is called the "fuck it" principle. It doesn't make enough of a difference, so don't bother doing it.
It's a fallacy though.
I'm not saying it doesn't make enough of a difference. I'm saying it doesn't make any difference. the fallacy you're referring to would be the Utopia fallacy and that's not what's going on here. fallacies trick people because they mirror good reasoning. I'm using good reasoning.
i'm telling you there is no causal mechanism by which consumption dictates production.