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hardly any calves become veal at all. it's a slim percentage.
The dairy industry can have a little cruelty to calves, as a treat.
no on is ok with cruelty
If you buy the products, you're complicit. Sounds like people are pretty okay with it to me.
i buy petroleum products. i disagree with most of the aspects of their procurement, distribution, and use. if i stop buying them, none of that changes.
Petroleum production decreases as we implement alternatives. Are you really going to tell me this isn't the case? 🤣
ETA: You know, for someone named commie, you're spouting a lot of neoliberal nonsense. "Ah, no sense trying to change anything even if we don't agree with it."
that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying being vegan isn't an effective way to change anything.
journey of a thousand miles, etc.
this platitude doesn't make buying beans an effective way to reduce the ecological burden of agriculture
neither is fatalism an effective way to encourage change
i'm not being fatalistic. i just don't believe buying beans is an effective way to fix the ecological problems of agriculture.
From what I've learned, this is called the "fuck it" principle. It doesn't make enough of a difference, so don't bother doing it.
It's a fallacy though.
I'm not saying it doesn't make enough of a difference. I'm saying it doesn't make any difference. the fallacy you're referring to would be the Utopia fallacy and that's not what's going on here. fallacies trick people because they mirror good reasoning. I'm using good reasoning.
i'm telling you there is no causal mechanism by which consumption dictates production.