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Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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[–] donuts@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah...

The ultimate tragedy of the last few weeks is that the average Israeli will only be more radicalized against Palestine, while the average Palestinian will only be more radicalized against Israel. It's a perpetual cycle of anger and violence that has no end in sight, and I don't feel any hope for a better future for the region and the innocent people on either side of the conflict.

What should have happened, like yesterday, should be obvious to anyone with a brain and a heart: Hamas should free all of their hostages and turn over anybody who participated in the terrorist attack on Israeli civilians, and Israel should cease fire immediately, call all settlers back and return the Gaza borders back to what they were a month ago. Terrorism and genocide are inexcusable, and the simple fact is that both sides have the blood of the innocent on their hands, all because of the politics of greed.

[–] Browning@lemmings.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is much more Israel should be doing. Not least is allowing travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

[–] donuts@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are a far cry from free travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

The likelihood of that is lower now than it's ever been.

[–] Browning@lemmings.world 10 points 1 year ago

We shouldn't be.
The only solution to the region is a Palestine that is prosperous and free. So long as people have nothing to lose, they will continue laying down their lives.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government want peace. They're not going to try to fix a situation neither sees as a problem.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

Like in any war of occupation: the ever more militarized government of the occupier and the ever more militarized force of the occupied are objective allies.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Hamas wants peace but as you can see in the west bank being nice to the israeli colonists will only get you killed and your land stolen.

Violence starts when a party isn't willing to come to peaceful agreements and in this case the israelis are the ones who keep seeking war.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hamas wants "peace" in the form of a repressive Islamic state which is run by Sharia law. They are not friends to the Palestinian people. They are Iranian puppets.

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

As Bibi himself said, supporting hamas makes sense if your goal is to prevent a palestenian state.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Also Israeli funded.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Wow look at all those downvote for stating a fact. The pro-Israel crowd sure is sensitive when facts that don't agree with their propaganda are mentioned.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas wants peace by eradicating Israel. I don’t think that the two can find common ground there.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

They want to eradicate the illegal occupation of their land, not the israelis themselves

Israel however seeks to eradicate the Palestinian people. This is a huge difference.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

Hamas wants peace

I'm going to need a source on this.

I think this would be news to most, including Hamas.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Wow you must have like, really smart