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Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 286 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (46 children)

The comments on that article are really missing the point that leveling a city block to kill a few terrorists almost invariably means you created more terrorists than you killed.

[–] sab@kbin.social 92 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately I'm not so sure they're missing the point. I'm afraid there's quite a few people who are just excited to see their scheduled genocide put into motion.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 55 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Far too many people seem to be itching to find an enemy, all so they can justify their desire for vindictive bloodlust.

Killing is a bad thing, and can only ever be justified when it prevents something worse. But that doesn't mean you should enjoy it.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Far too many people seem to be itching to find an enemy, all so they can justify their desire for vindictive bloodlust.

Finding an enemy, anyone, to rally angry and hate-fueled people has been a solid political staple for at least the last decade or so. The only "new"-ish part is that a lot of people are dying as a direct result of that now.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 81 points 10 months ago

They know this, that's the point, they want a biting dog that you can euthanize instead of the calm golden lab everyone will be upset with you for putting down

[–] donuts@kbin.social 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Yeah...

The ultimate tragedy of the last few weeks is that the average Israeli will only be more radicalized against Palestine, while the average Palestinian will only be more radicalized against Israel. It's a perpetual cycle of anger and violence that has no end in sight, and I don't feel any hope for a better future for the region and the innocent people on either side of the conflict.

What should have happened, like yesterday, should be obvious to anyone with a brain and a heart: Hamas should free all of their hostages and turn over anybody who participated in the terrorist attack on Israeli civilians, and Israel should cease fire immediately, call all settlers back and return the Gaza borders back to what they were a month ago. Terrorism and genocide are inexcusable, and the simple fact is that both sides have the blood of the innocent on their hands, all because of the politics of greed.

[–] Browning@lemmings.world 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is much more Israel should be doing. Not least is allowing travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

[–] donuts@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We are a far cry from free travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

The likelihood of that is lower now than it's ever been.

[–] Browning@lemmings.world 10 points 10 months ago

We shouldn't be.
The only solution to the region is a Palestine that is prosperous and free. So long as people have nothing to lose, they will continue laying down their lives.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 12 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government want peace. They're not going to try to fix a situation neither sees as a problem.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago

Like in any war of occupation: the ever more militarized government of the occupier and the ever more militarized force of the occupied are objective allies.

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[–] logi@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That is certainly one point and how we are, still Here after decades. Another point is that if you do that, you have become the bad guy.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html

It's really insane and the comparison pics are from over a week ago now.

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[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 143 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad a western country had the balls to say it.

[–] bemenaker@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Ireland and Norway have historically been critical of this.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 118 points 10 months ago

Actually what this guy said is:

"International law stipulates that [the reaction] must be proportionate. Civilians must be taken into account, and humanitarian law is very clear on this. I think this limit has been largely exceeded"

But the Times of Israel likes to erase this from the title and make it sound like they just went one woopsie too far. Poor genocidal Israel... pout

[–] Hegar@kbin.social 100 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Disproportionate response has been Israel's policy for decades.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

It is literally their stated policy of "Mowing the grass"

[–] rengoku2@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (8 children)

They learned it from the best teacher, big bro murica.

Ya know, atomic bombs, 20 years of Afghan, Vietcong war blah blah.

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[–] Gerula@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

"Rockets are still being fired from Gaza into Israel, and we condemn this,” he adds.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Disproportionate is an understatement.

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[–] bemenaker@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

I think this limit has been largely exceeded

I vote this for understatement of the week.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Eye for an eye for an eye for an eye.

[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A hundred eyes for one eye and your enemies will run out of eyes before you.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago
[–] scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's it, no more eyes for anyone

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They went blind long ago 😞

[–] HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Religion will do that to ya

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if this story is biased? /s

[–] rentar42@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How so? It seems to consist basically entirely of direct quotes. So unless they misquoted or are leaving out some massively important context, I can't see how it would be biased.

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