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Well then it is funny how all anti-communist spaces always end up riddled with fascists🤔
That's because non-extremists usually aren't particularly anti-communist. And why would they be? On paper, communism is a splendid idea. Doesn't seem to work very well in practice, but that doesn't make the idea bad…unlike fascism, which is bad even on paper.
just be open about it and say you want more anti-communist fascists if you're going to go about defending how riddled with fascism these anti-communist spaces are
You really do think, that anyone who does not like communism is a fascist, huh?
They probably don't, know. Authoritarian Communists often have the same sort of incentives as Fascists proper, namely to say and do whatever works with no regard for the truth.
Rejection of so-called extremism is such an enlightened centrist take, people are suffering due to the West and you would rather do nothing? Centrists are very quick to paint anything that threatens the current order as extremist, they simply do nothing productive, but toe the US state department line.
Communism worked great in practice, just look at places like Burkina Faso under Sankara, Cuba flourished when the colonizers got kicked out, USSR and China went from semi-feudal societies to world powers in a couple of decades, etc.
On the other hand, do you believe capitalism works well in practice? A majority of the countries of the world are capitalist and yet it only seems to function (hardly) in the global north which relies on imperialism.
Just like a western imperialist, you point at how powerful and wealthy the ruling elites of your favorite regime are and completely gloss over the suffering they cause their people.
China is a nation of slaves, locked into factories fitted with suicide nets as though they were criminals. Russia's populace is being fed to a meat grinder solely because their president craves power and conquest. And that's the example you'd have the rest of humanity emulate? Here in America, even our homeless live in better conditions than that!
You're no better than those you hate—you're hardly even different from them, let alone better—and that is why no one wants to join you in the revolution you desire.
Of course not. But you certainly aren't offering a better alternative. I might be down for an honest communism-ish economy—mandatory employee ownership of businesses, redistribution of wealth via wealth tax, that sort of thing—but I'm sure not buying what you're selling.
Edit: I would also like to add that the ultimate communism—an economy in which money does not exist and is not necessary, that is, a post-scarcity economy—is currently impossible, and requires not a political revolution but a technological one. I can only hope our high-tech civilization survives long enough to achieve it…
that's not any kind of own. Russia is a capitalist country, you're literally arguing against capitalism and then claiming that you've proved that capitalism is better than communism despite acknowledging that a capitalist country is feeding its populace into a meat grinder
I am not sure how I point at how powerful and wealthy the so-called 'elites' you mention are. I never mentioned anything about the ruling vanguard parties. I merely pointed out the massive improvements in material conditions brought about by the revolutions and vanguard parties, and I fail to see how improvements of material conditions equates to suffering...
You view of China seems very painted by your Western chauvinism, I'm willing to bet you've never stepped foot in China. Russia is not currently a communist country nor is it lead by communists currently so I am not sure what your point is???
Communism is the alternative, as Rosa Luxemburg said: "Socialism or barbarism".
Why is a communist society not achievable currently? We produce more than enough food to feed everyone and we could do it much more efficiently if we stopped exploiting animals for food too, but it all gets screwed up by imperialism and greed by the global north.
Anarchy worked great in practice, until Franco killed it.
I am not sure what your point is. I have no problems with anarchists and I am inclined to agree with you. Sadly, the capitalist countries of Europe were not interested in fighting against fascism.
Stalin did
Again, what is your point? Did you expect Stalin to support anarchists? I am really not sure what you are getting at here.
If he really was trying to build communism, then yes.
Why would Stalin, a Marxist-Leninist, support anarchism?
Because they both want to achieve communism and fascist taking power (like happen in real life) would suck
The biggest sinners in the Spanish civil war were the capitalist onlookers who openly allowed Hitler and Mussolini to support Franco and the fascists. While it was a sad affair how the anti-fascist side broke down into infighting, it was almost inevitable with how many different ideologies were represented on the anti-fascist side. The fascist side also saw some infighting and what could be described as a coup before consolidating into a more uniform force.
Or stalinists could just not infight
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well, maybe I read you wrong then.
I completely agree that imperialistic capitalism is cancer - and USA and China are the current front runners...
China is a victim of imperialism. I look forward to the day China tramples the US and the rest of the imperialist Western goons.
China is an Imperialist states which defined its current borders by violence. Xinjiang and Tibet did not voluntarily federate with the Chinese State. They were subjugated by force.
China is best compared to Russia.
And the century of humiliation is long gone.
And lest we forget, the most recent Imperialism to face China was Asian. And not Western.
It is worth mentioning that this means it did not work in practice because it was killed! Yes, the same can be said of ML projects like Burkina Faso that were toppled and thereby had very little they were able to pass on in the long term except lessons (Sankara was incredible and his band mate who betrayed him was a bastard). Communes are great when you don't have capitalist-aligned states who want to destroy you, but currently the state of the world is one where capitalist encirclement is an inevitability.
People of color have agency, and blaming still "The West" for all suffering in - say - China and Vietnam is initializing, and a true example of orientalism.
Of course the West contributes especially by economic exploitation, but in particular China is hardly exploited by the West anymore. Nor is it about to suffer any further intervention from Western powers.
On what paper? What communist books have you read?