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[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Communism worked great in practice, just look at places like Burkina Faso under Sankara, Cuba flourished when the colonizers got kicked out, USSR and China went from semi-feudal societies to world powers in a couple of decades, etc.

Just like a western imperialist, you point at how powerful and wealthy the ruling elites of your favorite regime are and completely gloss over the suffering they cause their people.

China is a nation of slaves, locked into factories fitted with suicide nets as though they were criminals. Russia's populace is being fed to a meat grinder solely because their president craves power and conquest. And that's the example you'd have the rest of humanity emulate? Here in America, even our homeless live in better conditions than that!

You're no better than those you hate—you're hardly even different from them, let alone better—and that is why no one wants to join you in the revolution you desire.

On the other hand, do you believe capitalism works well in practice?

Of course not. But you certainly aren't offering a better alternative. I might be down for an honest communism-ish economy—mandatory employee ownership of businesses, redistribution of wealth via wealth tax, that sort of thing—but I'm sure not buying what you're selling.

Edit: I would also like to add that the ultimate communism—an economy in which money does not exist and is not necessary, that is, a post-scarcity economy—is currently impossible, and requires not a political revolution but a technological one. I can only hope our high-tech civilization survives long enough to achieve it…

[–] HornyOnMain@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Russia’s populace is being fed to a meat grinder solely because their president craves power and conquest

that's not any kind of own. Russia is a capitalist country, you're literally arguing against capitalism and then claiming that you've proved that capitalism is better than communism despite acknowledging that a capitalist country is feeding its populace into a meat grinder

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am not sure how I point at how powerful and wealthy the so-called 'elites' you mention are. I never mentioned anything about the ruling vanguard parties. I merely pointed out the massive improvements in material conditions brought about by the revolutions and vanguard parties, and I fail to see how improvements of material conditions equates to suffering...

You view of China seems very painted by your Western chauvinism, I'm willing to bet you've never stepped foot in China. Russia is not currently a communist country nor is it lead by communists currently so I am not sure what your point is???

Communism is the alternative, as Rosa Luxemburg said: "Socialism or barbarism".

Why is a communist society not achievable currently? We produce more than enough food to feed everyone and we could do it much more efficiently if we stopped exploiting animals for food too, but it all gets screwed up by imperialism and greed by the global north.