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Nice, seems like we're finally getting to the point where we stop blaming the common people for climate change.
Also, this seems like a much, MUCH better PR move than throwing paint at masterpieces in fucking museums.
I don't know who thought that was something that would have moved the public opinion towards their cause.
Well it did seem to do a good job bringing attention to their cause. And, the worst damage incurred over the dozens of demonstrations was some minor frame damage. Imo it was kind of a brilliant scheme to get worldwide attention for the price of some tomato soup
I don't even know what you're talking about so apparently it didn't do that good of a job
It was these people. Go down to protests - art galleries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil
Nah, that was pretty useless because it just brought ridicule to them and the cause. A lot like gluing themselves to public surfaces, which anyone I talk to remembers laughingly, but nobody can tell me what they were protesting. That’s completely useless.
This actually gets the point across.
They were throwing paint into corporate offices and CEO's car at the same time. The media chose to put the art vandalism on blast. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out the art vandalism was the idea of a corporate mole.
No, I can believe that true believers thought that art vandalism was a good idea, but I'm just skeptical about where the idea originated from.
We all play a part. The polluting corporations all sell consumer goods.
We can all adopt a plant based diet which will absolutely slow change as well as cost less than a diet that involves meat
Ok, I'll give you a choice!
What great choices you have!
Most vegan and plant based foods are MUCH less expensive unless you are only eating pre-prepared foods. A bag of rice and a bag of beans and some veggies are not expensive at all.
You seem to not have any of the facts.
what your suggesting takes time and equipment (and some experience with seasoning). the time alone can make it cost-prohibitive.
Except people around the world manage to do this
many people still cannot afford it, no matter how your arrange the facts.
If they can afford ground beef at $4/lb why can't they afford things that are much cheaper?
Many of the poorer people can't really afford beef regularly, it's more of a once-a-year-treat. Source: Used to be very poor when I was a kid.
money isn't the only cost, there is also the matter of time. no amount of money saving would add more time to my day.
You can cook ahead of time. Go ask any single vegan how it works.
you have no idea whether that is time I can afford, or anyone else.
I know most plant food is cheaper than meat and that is true in almost all countries. That's because dry beans and grains are shelf stable and no meat is unless it has been processed which further drives up its price.
The fact is you don't want to make the change and that is fine but understand every excuse you are making here, except the bit about time, is simply not true on any level.
Found the vegan.
Some people need to eat meat: Like my room mate who has mass cell activation.
Also many indigenous peoples have dishes that involve meat. They are not apart of this problem.
Frankly there are a lot of reason to eat meat. If I go out and shoot my own deer and butcher it and cook it this does not effect the climate the same way as buying beef of the shelf.
And while beef is particularly resource and land intensive so are many vegetables you see at grocery stores.
Do you eat avocados? Because most avocados grown in mexico are done under control by violent cartels.
Many people probably should eat less meat. But acting like EVRYONE can do this is wrong on many fronts.
If you want to be a vegetarian please do. But lets stop acting like its a real solution to climate change or even a option for many people. It isnt.
Not a vegan Im just trying to make the only difference I can make.
I get that you don't want to recognize that most of the meat people eat is part of the problem or that there is something you can do but it does not change the facts.
Bullshit. Do you drive a car? You can definitely change that!
Sadly the 70 miles I need to walk every day would be an issue. I can't afford a home closer to work either but I can move to a plant based diet.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ, 70 miles?! That's egregious even for a car commute! Even without doing the math, I'm pretty sure that your environmental savings from not eating meat is a rounding error compared to that kind of clown car habit.
If you can't find a home closer to work, you need to find a new job closer to home. Something's got to give, if not for the planet then at least for your own sake!
If you want to give me the $500,000 I need to get a house closer to my work I'd take it.
If not you are doing the punching down everyone is talking about.
Why are you lying? If you'd read the article I linked, you'd understand that I'm trying to help you.
Im not defaming you. Im calling out your behavior. You can't act rude and not expect pushback. You aren't helping anyone with your attitude.
Dismissing a valid argument because you don't like its tone is a fallacy.
And we aren't engaging in a rhetorical debate here so attempting to highlight non existent flaws isn't helping you here.
You acted like an asshole and are being called out for it. There's no way for you to be "right" in this situation after you chose to act inappropriately.
there is something you can do, but being vegan doesn't help.
I gotta be honest, this comes across more like excuses to not make changes or even admit your part. I'm not a vegetarian myself, but I'm under no delusions that my meal preferences aren't bad for the environment and have ethical concerns. I eat meat anyway because honestly, I just like the taste and struggle to give that up. But I fully support those who can give it up and want to see lab grown meat be a viable replacement.
Like your roommate, nobody is saying literally everyone has to stop eating meat full stop. If you have a medical need, obviously keep eating meat. Similarly, reducing how much meat you eat is still an improvement. You don't have to go 100% vegetarian.
Similarly, if indigenous folks can sustainably eat meat, cool. But most people simply aren't doing that. And are you aware of why meat is so bad for the environment? I mean this 100% seriously: cow farts. Raising livestock ethically only addresses the moral problems with animal husbandry. This thread is about environmental problems. Land intensiveness doesn't actually matter that much. The amount of land used isn't the problem.
The avocados thing isn't related to environment. Again, I gotta be honest here, this feels like an attempt at a "gotcha". I get it. I struggled with the idea that my own consumption (which again, I still do) is bad for the environment. Plus I could never kill an animal myself. I can only eat meat because I emotionally separate myself from it. It's a hard reality to face and I'm still not really comfortable with it. But we can't act like "oh, you eat a bad thing, so I'm okay to do different bad things" is a good reasoning.
Don't take things literally when someone says "we should all do X". That's not a personal attack on you if you don't. That's just how we talk. We say "everyone should watch the new Barbie movie because it's really great" but I don't actually mean literally every single human needs to watch it.
You fell for the propaganda.
The 1% do more damage to the planet than consumer habits could ever hope up mitigate.
If you feel better making what you see as more sustainable life choices I fully support it and more power to you. But the reality is that it doesn't matter whether or not we eat meat, sort your recycling, or bring our canvas bags to the grocery store.
and we NEED to demand that they are made using green energy. The price incentives offered by the US government now are so fucking insane that the only thing keeping these companies from making a change is whatever fossil companies can offer them.
Just ..... You already know what you have to eat to mitigate this horror. And it ain't plants, friend.