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[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Gotta ask for both a source and your definition of a "tankie".

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

[–] sp6@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A tankie is someone who supports authoritarian communism (I believe the term originated from using tanks to suppress protests)

Here's a post showing that the main instance of Lemmy (hosted by the main 2 Lemmy devs) removes any negative posts about the Chinese or Russian governments for "orientalism": https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5784

In the comments of that post, you can find one of the devs borderline defending what China is doing to the Uyghurs: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/comment/5950

That same dev has a github repo called "essays on communism": https://github.com/dessalines/essays

I'm pretty sure both of the devs' profile pictures are Fidel Castro too

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aight fair enough, that's pretty concerning.

Nothing wrong per se with communism itself, it just tends to be extremely unstable and quickly turns to authoritarianism, I don't think it's ever worked for any nation in history so far.

The defending of Uyghur genocides, and the defending of the CCP and Russian government is really concerning though. Good thing this platform is federated.

libretro has a similar problem, it's developed by a team of transphobic, homophobic, racist Russian apologists who border on Nazism. I don't know what attracts these people to FOSS development.

[–] robinn@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Authoritarian communism isn't a real thing. No country has ever been communist materially in the first place (and none have ever claimed to be), so what we are dealing with is an "authoritarian" socialist nation. Authority is not a unilateral concept; there is no authority "in itself" but authority for different ends and directed by different groups. In class society, authority is largely expressed by the dictatorship of a certain class, so the term "authoritarianism" is meaningless (rule by authority? which form of it?). It is well known that the CPC and the Chinese government have the vast support of the people [https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time] due to land reform and poverty alleviation alongside mass line influence throughout government positions.

"Using tanks to suppress protests" which events are you referring to?

In regards to Uyghurs, read this, and I mean seriously read it and come up with a response or shut up: https://xinjiangahr.carrd.co/

[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck authoritarian commies. Better?

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please read 'On Authority' by Engels and then re-evaluate your comment🤦

[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Let us take by way if example a cotton spinning mill. The cotton must pass through at least six successive operations before it is reduced to the state of thread, and these operations take place for the most part in different rooms. Furthermore, keeping the machines going requires an engineer to look after the steam engine, mechanics to make the current repairs, and many other labourers whose business it is to transfer the products from one room to another, and so forth. All these workers, men, women and children, are obliged to begin and finish their work at the hours fixed by the authority of the steam, which cares nothing for individual autonomy. The workers must, therefore, first come to an understanding on the hours of work; and these hours, once they are fixed, must be observed by all, without any exception. Thereafter particular questions arise in each room and at every moment concerning the mode of production, distribution of material, etc., which must be settled by decision of a delegate placed at the head of each branch of labour or, if possible, by a majority vote, the will of the single individual will always have to subordinate itself, which means that questions are settled in an authoritarian way."

This is the dumbest take i ever read. You can literally choose not to work at that factory. Did you really read this book? Or are you just defaulting to a NPC response? If you really read the book you would understand how dumb it is to recommend it to people who are against authoritarianism.

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

We need textiles whether a specific individual works at the factory or not. It's called a systemic issue.

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Damn, so living in a society implies that sometimes you don't get what you want? And therefore authoritarianism is obligatory?

That's so ridiculously stupid lmao. It's like a child's understanding of life "I don't get what I want so this is tyranny".

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I fail to see the dumbness of what Engels writes. In fact, I find it hilarious that you act like you are better informed than a literal communist political theorist on what communism is or isn't, but go on bestie💁‍♀️💅.

You speak of authoritarian communism as being bad, when what is basically one of the fathers of communism directly states that authoritarian means need to be used, and furthermore he states a revolution itself is authoritarian, which would be clear to you if you actually read theory🥱.

And talking about NPC responses, maybe take a look in the mirror, it would do you good in more than one way🤗