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[–] ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Let us take by way if example a cotton spinning mill. The cotton must pass through at least six successive operations before it is reduced to the state of thread, and these operations take place for the most part in different rooms. Furthermore, keeping the machines going requires an engineer to look after the steam engine, mechanics to make the current repairs, and many other labourers whose business it is to transfer the products from one room to another, and so forth. All these workers, men, women and children, are obliged to begin and finish their work at the hours fixed by the authority of the steam, which cares nothing for individual autonomy. The workers must, therefore, first come to an understanding on the hours of work; and these hours, once they are fixed, must be observed by all, without any exception. Thereafter particular questions arise in each room and at every moment concerning the mode of production, distribution of material, etc., which must be settled by decision of a delegate placed at the head of each branch of labour or, if possible, by a majority vote, the will of the single individual will always have to subordinate itself, which means that questions are settled in an authoritarian way."

This is the dumbest take i ever read. You can literally choose not to work at that factory. Did you really read this book? Or are you just defaulting to a NPC response? If you really read the book you would understand how dumb it is to recommend it to people who are against authoritarianism.

[–] BuGiJu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I fail to see the dumbness of what Engels writes. In fact, I find it hilarious that you act like you are better informed than a literal communist political theorist on what communism is or isn't, but go on bestie💁‍♀️💅.

You speak of authoritarian communism as being bad, when what is basically one of the fathers of communism directly states that authoritarian means need to be used, and furthermore he states a revolution itself is authoritarian, which would be clear to you if you actually read theory🥱.

And talking about NPC responses, maybe take a look in the mirror, it would do you good in more than one way🤗

[–] GarbageShootAlt@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

We need textiles whether a specific individual works at the factory or not. It's called a systemic issue.

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Damn, so living in a society implies that sometimes you don't get what you want? And therefore authoritarianism is obligatory?

That's so ridiculously stupid lmao. It's like a child's understanding of life "I don't get what I want so this is tyranny".