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? The developers of Lemmy are tankies, it’s important to make sure that tankies know they aren’t welcome here.
Gotta ask for both a source and your definition of a "tankie".
You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
A tankie is someone who supports authoritarian communism (I believe the term originated from using tanks to suppress protests)
Here's a post showing that the main instance of Lemmy (hosted by the main 2 Lemmy devs) removes any negative posts about the Chinese or Russian governments for "orientalism": https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5784
In the comments of that post, you can find one of the devs borderline defending what China is doing to the Uyghurs: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/comment/5950
That same dev has a github repo called "essays on communism": https://github.com/dessalines/essays
I'm pretty sure both of the devs' profile pictures are Fidel Castro too
Aight fair enough, that's pretty concerning.
Nothing wrong per se with communism itself, it just tends to be extremely unstable and quickly turns to authoritarianism, I don't think it's ever worked for any nation in history so far.
The defending of Uyghur genocides, and the defending of the CCP and Russian government is really concerning though. Good thing this platform is federated.
libretro has a similar problem, it's developed by a team of transphobic, homophobic, racist Russian apologists who border on Nazism. I don't know what attracts these people to FOSS development.
The fact that you can believe this narrative literally spawned by the people who currently control and siphon away 50% or more of Russia's entire GDP into foreign bank accounts under the whip of Vladimir "East German KGB-operative" Putin is pretty astounding.
Hey, just fyi, there are different branches of communism. The most popular ones vehemently oppose Russia, China, and North Korea.
u/CommunistLady is part of the delusional few who are pro-China, but please don't attack communists as a whole because of the loud idiots.
Your outrage is completely misguided.
Say Russia was trying to "exterminate gay people": it is a capitalist country.
You can't present the deeds of capitalists as evidence of communist wrongdoing.
...it would great if the tankies could understand that fact to be case in any other context when discussing Russia, but they don't, so we won't.
Not a fan of that logic
Because it isn't logical, because it is all a mess. Yet because Russia claims Soviet glory and tankies actively shows the current regime reverence as if Putin was a General Secretary, it is rather hard to actually make a distinction between the current authoritarian regime and the one of the Soviets - the fact of the matter is that Russian political culture whether royalist, communist or capitalist doesn't change.
Yeah I find this so funny, liberals only pretend to care about LGBTQ+ people to virtue signal. Cuba has better LGBTQ+ rights than most Western countries.
Authoritarian communism isn't a real thing. No country has ever been communist materially in the first place (and none have ever claimed to be), so what we are dealing with is an "authoritarian" socialist nation. Authority is not a unilateral concept; there is no authority "in itself" but authority for different ends and directed by different groups. In class society, authority is largely expressed by the dictatorship of a certain class, so the term "authoritarianism" is meaningless (rule by authority? which form of it?). It is well known that the CPC and the Chinese government have the vast support of the people [https://ash.harvard.edu/publications/understanding-ccp-resilience-surveying-chinese-public-opinion-through-time] due to land reform and poverty alleviation alongside mass line influence throughout government positions.
"Using tanks to suppress protests" which events are you referring to?
In regards to Uyghurs, read this, and I mean seriously read it and come up with a response or shut up: https://xinjiangahr.carrd.co/
Fuck authoritarian commies. Better?
Please read 'On Authority' by Engels and then re-evaluate your comment🤦
This is the dumbest take i ever read. You can literally choose not to work at that factory. Did you really read this book? Or are you just defaulting to a NPC response? If you really read the book you would understand how dumb it is to recommend it to people who are against authoritarianism.
I fail to see the dumbness of what Engels writes. In fact, I find it hilarious that you act like you are better informed than a literal communist political theorist on what communism is or isn't, but go on bestie💁♀️💅.
You speak of authoritarian communism as being bad, when what is basically one of the fathers of communism directly states that authoritarian means need to be used, and furthermore he states a revolution itself is authoritarian, which would be clear to you if you actually read theory🥱.
And talking about NPC responses, maybe take a look in the mirror, it would do you good in more than one way🤗
We need textiles whether a specific individual works at the factory or not. It's called a systemic issue.
Damn, so living in a society implies that sometimes you don't get what you want? And therefore authoritarianism is obligatory?
That's so ridiculously stupid lmao. It's like a child's understanding of life "I don't get what I want so this is tyranny".
“You criticize society, yet you participate in it? Curious…”
Judging by your username, I’m going to guess you’re a communist. Will you continue to participate in this forum using a computing device that was produced by a capitalist economic system? If you demand this level of ideological purity, it seems rather hypocritical.
China is state capitalist, as evidenced by the fact that the phone you bought was manufactured there via cheap labor.
You're delusional.
Xiaomi sure as hell isn't a "workers' cooperative" - it's literally a public stock company traded on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange for crying out loud! And I don't think anyone would doubt the fact Xiaomi's engineers are paid well, well at least the ones that actually work for it and aren't the employees of affiliate-startups that are part of the Mijia-ecosystem, but Xiaomi like everyone else, even Fairphone, uses the unethically-treated and underpaid Chinese factory-worker labour-pool exactly like everyone else - as disposible cogs in a well-oiled tat-producing machine.
You are completely ignorant in how the real world works.
Labour costs are artificially kept low in the global south due to imperialism. The US’ dollar hegemony helps them artificially depreciate Global South currencies, in which you, a Westerner benefits immensely from.
Low wages doesn’t signify anything about the mode of production. Truthfully, wage labour existed even prior to capitalism.
You don’t even know what you are talking about but you, in typical orientalist and racist fashion, thinks you know anything about a civilisation that has lasted 4000 years.
What is fact is that China has had the highest wage growth for the past few decades, which taking into account its 1.3billion population, means it has have helped uplift more people out of poverty than the entire population of the West.
Calling China “state capitalist” is an insult to all the people that were colonized by the Europeans, where ACTUAL capitalism destroyed, pillaged and genocided entire civilisations for the benefit of Capital, which is still happening btw.
Well I wouldn't exactly use the name of a political party as evidence for whether or not they actually follow that ideology... There are plenty of examples for the fact that the name is not the deciding factor but what they actually do. And, considering the definition of communism, it is kinda weird to consider China communist just because that's the name the leading party gave themselves.
I just think that "Authoritarian Regime" or similar isn't something a party would call itself.