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I just don’t think content should be behind a paywall. I want to live in a socialist utopia where content and knowledge is free to share, copyright is a relic of the past, and art and science blossom. Blocking ads takes me 0.0001% closer to that, so I’ll take it. I don’t want to pay, because I don’t want money to exist, it’s deeper than experience vs how much it is worth.

I do think that publicly-owned and publicly-funded alternatives to platforms like YouTube and Twitch could make the internet a far better place. I'd be surprised if, at least here in the EU, where there is an ongoing attempt to actually regulate tech companies, we didn't see this happening sooner or later.

For the time being, though, I know that the creators whose content I enjoy so much couldn't keep doing what they do without compensation, and the YouTube servers their content are hosted on would be taken down if they could not be paid for. So I pay for premium, content enough to know that I'm doing my fair part in keeping the videos I enjoy available and enabling the people who create them to keep creating more, even if the system under which all this occurs is much less than ideal.

If I’m reading the modlogs correctly, it looks like /u/Ruud@lemmy.world posted something homophobic?

A troll impersonating Ruud did so.

The real Ruud: https://lemmy.world/u/ruud

The banned troll: https://lemmy.world/u/ruuud

 

we have made the decision to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. we recognize this is hugely inconvenient for a wide variety of reasons, but we think this is a decision we need to take immediately. the remainder of the post details our thoughts and decision-making on why this is necessary.

In short, they are defederating from these instances because they have fully open registration, without applications or manual approval. As a result of this, it has been exceptionally difficult to moderate content originating from the users of these instances. Beehaw hopes to federate with these instances again, once better moderation tools are available for use with lemmy.

There is also a discussion post about this announcement on lemmy.ca: https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/26956

I simply hate ads with a passion due to my experiences in marketing and will go out of my way to never watch any. Can‘t explain it much more than that. If youtube locks me out due to that, so be it. I don‘t get worked up either, I simply state my opinion on it where I please and if I‘m not wanted I leave. That‘s about it.

Why don't you pay for YouTube premium? This removes all platform ads.

That...doesn't sound like a good thing? I would like one game in my game, please. More than that, and it seems like surely things would get janky and disjointed and messy.

Watching this man’s trainwreck is so mind boggling. I mean just a decade ago he had every single one of us believing he was real life Tony Stark. I mean even pop culture sci fi like Star Trek mentioned him along Sagen and Einstein… He really pulled the wool over our eyes.

Hey, not every one of us. I disliked Elon Musk before it was cool. I thought he was always obviously just another obscenely wealthy self-centered guy with good PR.

The Lounge is a great IRC webclient with built-in bouncer functionality.

Seconding The Lounge. It's a great self-hosted option.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.pineapplemachine.com 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I actually do not understand the widespread hostility that people have toward this kind of thing. I watch a lot of content on YouTube, and I don't want to see ads, so I pay for premium. I watch a lot of content on Twitch, and I don't want to see ads, so I pay for turbo. Hosting a major video streaming website isn't cheap. It's not like these things are unreasonably priced. If you hate the ads so much, then why not pay for the service that the platform is offering you, and for the content that creators are providing on it? And if you don't watch often enough for ad-free viewing to be worth a few bucks a month to you, then why get so worked up about having to sit through an ad every now and then?

[–] pineapple@lemmy.pineapplemachine.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a lot I'd recommend, but I think the only must-play for me is Cave Story.

When I was growing up, Cave Story was like the paragon of games as art, and was a major inspiration behind me making games as a hobby and getting into software development professionally. Cave Story was made by a single talented auteur, not for profit, and released for free. And it was as good as Metroid and Mario, or maybe even better. It proved to everyone that such a thing was even possible.

I think the only indie game that could possibly compete with Cave Story for the title of "most influential" would be Minecraft. Though Minecraft should probably be disqualified from that title for having sold out to Microsoft as soon as it started to get big...

I occasionally eat one as a “meal replacement” when I can’t get normal food.

Came here to say the same. I would not eat a candy bar under normal circumstances, but I keep some Snickers handy just for the rare occasion when what I really need is a meal's worth of calories that I can eat in under a minute, or carry with me and take up only a little space.

god is being bullied by a pineapple (┬┬﹏┬┬)

Suck it up, God. Creation is a bummer anyways.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.pineapplemachine.com 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

it’s FortNITE, not FortNIGHT, so people might not find your community on the search bar.

Sorry? Of course it's spelled "FORTNITE" in the game files, and in some of the logos and promotional materials, but that's just an abbreviation to fit within the eight-character limit for MS-DOS filenames. You know how it is with Tim Sweeny and Epic MegaGames, that's where they got started and it's always on their mind. Clearly, the full unabbreviated title of the game is "Fortnight".

[–] pineapple@lemmy.pineapplemachine.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From my perspective as a user that has been on reddit for a while, its been on a downhill slide for a long time now. The moderation mechanisms there are really becoming the downfall. Its like police or politicians, the position attracts the very qualities that would make you unsuitable for such authority.

This really is a bigger and more complicated problem than I think most people realize. I helped moderate some larger subreddits for a while, but I burned out hard and will definitely never be doing it again.

You've got the people who really did care, at some point, but all of their empathy for the people they're supposed to be serving got ground down by the insults and derision that moderators always have to put up with, until issuing bans and removing posts and comments becomes rote and they don't see the humanity or the nuance anymore.

You've got people who seemed reasonable when they applied to become a moderator, but as more trust and autonomy is afforded to them they change and become outright abusive. Presumably because it's the only thing in their life that makes them feel powerful. And if they've been around for long enough and moderated actively enough, then removing them can be a whole stressful ordeal that blows a big hole in a team's ability to keep up with the mod queue.

And you've got people who do care, and who are able to take abuse from the community without it affecting their approach to moderation. But for these people, all the drama that arises in trying to work on a team with the former two kinds of moderators becomes increasingly demotivating, until they burn out and step away.

And god forbid you try to help moderate a subreddit that actually matters. On top of everything else, you will have bad actors actively trying to infiltrate the moderation team, to bring in new moderators with a certain agenda and to push out old ones. Or you'll have those who are determined to find a way to personally profit from having a position of power in a large online community, even at the cost of the community itself. I still don't know how one keeps these people out, once they've taken an interest.

I think there are some things that can help. I've seen that, on reddit, having a top moderator who is disengaged from normal moderation but who will keep tabs and step in like a benevolent dictator to arbitrate internal disputes and ensure that there are decisive resolutions can keep larger moderation teams more stable for longer. This way the top moderator isn't so involved and won't burn out, and everyone below them on the moderator list knows that there is someone they are accountable to. (Of course, this all hinges on the top moderator being suited to this kind of role.)

But even so, once a community grows past a certain point, I think it's just not viable to run it off the backs of volunteers anymore.

 

The server that lemmy.pineapplemachine.com is hosted on became unresponsive after an increase in network traffic and CPU usage at approximately 18:10 UTC on 2023-06-08. As of approximately 19:15 UTC, an hour later, the server has been upgraded with additional CPU and RAM resources and has been brought back online. Hopefully the service will be more stable from now on.

Sorry about that!

 

It seems like a good idea to codify something more specific than the front page summary of "Be respectful, and don't spam." That's the gist of it, but here's some specifics:


1. Be Respectful.

1.1. Don't attack or flame others. Make an effort to find civil and respectful ways to express your disapproval.

1.2 Don't be a troll. Don't post stupid things just to get a rise out of someone. Rustle jimmies somewhere else.

1.3. Don't be a bigot. Do not make offensive generalizations about groups of people. This explicitly includes, but is not limited to, racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia.

1.4. Don't use slurs. If a word is broadly considered to be very offensive, then do not use it. Allowances will be made for quotations and other appropriate uses.

1.5. Don't post explicit content to places that are not meant for it. It is not acceptable to post pornography where people would not reasonably expect to see it.

1.6. Don't upload explicit content. Link to content uploaded somewhere else, instead. Please be respectful to the instance host, by not exposing them to legal liability for hosting strictly-regulated media.

1.7. Don't abuse privileges. Moderators who are using their power maliciously or as a joke that degrades others' experience of the instance may have their privileges revoked.

1.8. Don't promote or endorse violence. Don't threaten to harm others. Don't celebrate injury or death or war. Don't encourage self-injury or suicide.

1.9. Don't post obviously illegal things. No CSAM. No drug sales. Et cetera. This is a zero-tolerance policy. Discussion of emulation and piracy is explicitly allowed, but do not upload or directly link to illicit content.


2. Don't spam.

2.1. Don't make bot accounts. Not unless you have prior approval. Ask the admins before you make a bot account of any kind.

2.2. Don't post with inhuman frequency. Otherwise you will be assumed to be a bot.

2.3. Don't post the same thing repeatedly. No one likes having to scroll through a lot of identical posts or comments.

2.4. Don't astroturf. Paid trolls and astroturfing bots are not welcome here.

2.5. Don't post machine-generated content without identifying it as such. It's okay to share generative AI content, but don't try to pass it off as having been made by a human.

2.6. Don't post surveys, adverts, or personal GoFundMes. Don't ask for people's money or information without prior approval from the admins. Sharing crowdfunding links or information about adverts, as opposed to marketing or asking for money for personal use, is allowed.

2.7. Don't promote scams or fraud. Obviously. Do not try to trick others with MLM or rug-pull crypto schemes.


Offenders may be warned and offending content may be removed, and severe or multiple offenders may be banned.

Individual communities may have their own rules that they enforce, in addition to these instance-wide rules. Moderators of individual communities are expected to enforce the instance-wide rules in addition to their own.


I'm here to create a space for discussion. I'm not here to ruthlessly moderate what you post. You're not going to be punished for letting off steam every now and then. Use your judgment, be reasonable, don't go overboard, and we should be fine.

If you have questions or suggestions, feel free to comment here or to DM an admin.

 

Lemmy is federated and decentralized and that means that we can all coexist regardless of our differing political opinions. I think it's important to preface this by saying that I am not offended by or concerned with anyone's politics, and I'm certainly not here to argue with anyone about them.

My concern is that users are being banned and content is being removed on lemmy.ml citing a rule that is not publicly stated anywhere that I have seen.

Moderators of lemmy.ml are removing posts and comments which are critical of the Chinese government and are banning their authors.

This came to my attention because of how lemmy user bans are federated just like everything else, and I was confused about why my instance had logged a lemmy.ml user ban citing "orientalism" as the reason for the ban.

Screenshot of my own instance's modlog, as viewed by an admin

I noticed that the banned user had recently commented on a post in !worldnews@lemmy.ml that had been removed with the reason "Orientalist article".

Screenshot of banned user's history on lemmy.ml

Screenshot of lemmy.ml modlog

Here's the article that was removed, titled "China may face succession crisis". It was published by axios.com, which mediabiasfactcheck describes as having "a slight to moderate liberal bias" and gives its second-highest ranking for factual reporting. The article writes unfavorably of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/06/china-may-face-succession-crisis

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/axios/

I had not remembered seeing anything in lemmy.ml's rules that would suggest that "orientalism"—meaning, as I understand it, the depiction or discussion of Asian cultures by people in Western ones—was against the rules. So I checked, and I found that there was not. Not on the instance's front page, and not in !worldnews@lemmy.ml.

Screenshot of instance rules for lemmy.ml

[Screenshot of community rules for !worldnews@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/pictrs/image/9a5a8a2d-cfac-4658-8ef5-77a885079756.png)

There is a stated rule against xenophobia, but I think that xenophobia is not widely understood to include Westerners writing critically of the actions of an Asian government.

This is where I went from confused to concerned.

Lemmy instances have public moderation logs, which I think is a very positive thing about the platform. So I looked more closely at lemmy.ml's moderation log.

Please note that moderation logs are also federated. It's hard to be 100% sure which instance a mod action is actually associated with, looking at these logs. The previously mentioned user ban and post removal were, I think, definitely actions taken by lemmy.ml moderators. My own instance's mod log identifies the banning moderator as a lemmy.ml admin, and the removed post was submitted to a lemmy.ml community. I've done my best to verify that all of the following removals were really done by lemmy.ml moderators, but I can't be absolutely certain. Please forgive me if any of them were actually made on other instances that do have an explicitly stated rule against orientalism.

Removed Comment Ah yes. Being against China's racist genocide is racist. China, the imperialist ethno-state, is clearly innocent. by @CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org reason: Orientalism

Screenshot of lemmy.ml modlog

Removed Comment Lol. Thinking some countries have better governments than others is supremacist? Whatever, dude. By the way. If there are any countries with decent governments, I don't know of them. But like. If there were decent countries, they wouldn't behave like China. by @balerion@beehaw.org reason: Orientalism

Screenshot of lemmy.ml modlog

These following moderator actions did not specifically cite orientalism, but did not seem to be breaking any of the instance's or community's explicitly stated rules.

Banned @0x815@feddit.de reason: Only makes anti russia and anti china, crosspostst from reddit. 2nd temp ban expires: 9d ago

Screenshot of lemmy.ml modlog

Removed Comment Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia and Tibet are all Colonies of China, which it treats as Colonial Territories, by - Forcibly destroying the local culture. Forcefully extracting to harm of the locals. Genocide, abuse, kidnapping, rape. But there is no point in engaging to you. You are a liar. You know you are. When you deny genocides, you put yourself on the same side as the fascists and reactionaries of the past. by @CrimsonOnoscopy@beehaw.org reason: Rule 1 and 2

Screenshot of lemmy.ml modlog

I have no affection for the Chinese government and I do not call myself a communist. I would not enforce a rule against orientalism on my own instance. But I think that lemmy.ml's moderators are entitled to enforce whatever rules they please. It's only that, as the largest single lemmy instance so far, I believe that they have an obligation to disclose these rules, and an obligation to not ban users or remove content for failing to follow unobvious and unstated rules.

I'd like to raise some awareness about this, and I'd like to openly ask the moderators of lemmy.ml to state the rules that they intend to enforce clearly and explicitly.

I will be very clear and state it again: I am not asking for anyone to change their opinions or to not enforce a rule that they believe in. That is the great thing about lemmy, that we can coexist in this federated community even when we don't share the same opinions. What I am asking is for lemmy.ml's rules to be clearly stated, because I think it does not reflect well on the broader community if the predominant instance moderates its users and content according to rules that are not being explicitly disclosed.

 

My log (accessed via docker-compose logs -f lemmy has gotten very noisy since my instance has been federating with several others. It makes it harder to troubleshoot odd behavior and I'm concerned that it's going to quickly fill up my server's disk with logs. What can I do to improve this?

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Service update: Emails work now (lemmy.pineapplemachine.com)
 

I did not realize it, but the setup tool I ran before did not include automatically setting up SMTP to send outgoing emails...

Anyway, it's manually set up now. Users who request to register should actually receive an email letting them know when they're accepted, now, email notifications in general should work, and it should be possible to verify an account's email address.

 

I haven't banned anyone, and as far as I know none of the other users on my instance currently have moderation privileges. So why am I seeing two users in a "banned" list when I visit my instance settings page? What horrible, unforgivable things did these users have to do for my instance to ban them seemingly of its own accord..?

(I have manually unbanned these users since taking the screenshot, since I didn't see any reason why they should have been banned in the first place.)

 

Hi! I'm new to lemmy. I think the join-lemmy instances list is a great resource, though I've noticed that the instance I recently set up does not appear in the list. Is listing automatic, and in that case what should I do to make sure it appears? And if it's not automatic, who should we contact to request to be included in the list?

Thank you!

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Welcome to Pineapple Machine! (lemmy.pineapplemachine.com)
 

Welcome! I'm trying out this lemmy thing. Let's see how it works out.

This is meant to be a chill place where you can post whatever you want, as long as you're not being a jerk, or spamming, or breaking any laws.

Feel free to comment here or to DM an admin if you'd like to suggest new communities, or to make other suggestions for the instance.

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