Trump was going to push and threaten until this happened. It shouldn’t be a surprise after all this time and all his ranting and it should be granted. He’s accused of using his followers to stage an attack; of course he shouldn’t be allowed to again.
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I suspect stochastic terrorism is the last card he has to play.
Wouldn't the real last card be organizing & mounting a full blown insurrection? Not like the first attempt where he could try to keep his hands relatively clean of it, as he's tried to do in a number of other criminal schemes related to his businesses.
Part of me wishes he would try it, because you just don’t come for the US Federal Government. Trump talks a big game and has a following, but the Feds are fucking psychos. These people killed MLK. These people have overthrown countless foreign governments. They’ve been trafficking drugs, weapons, and humans since before you and I were born.
I’m not saying I’m happy about it. I’m ashamed to be American every day that I wake up. But Trump is small potatoes to them. If he ever tried a coup for real it would end very badly for him, I promise you.
The system is designed to protect and preserve the status quo. Apparently he forgot that, I doubt he is up to date on his American history.
I doubt he knows the first thing about American history. Hes has several old teachers admit he was a fucking moron and IIRC there is documentation that Trump Sr paid his son's way thru school. So that moron probably knows less about US history than most middle school kids.
With the way the Republicans are speedrunning the destruction of the already fractured education system in this country I don't know if the middle schoolers are going to fare much better unfortunately.
Well if they can walk and talk at the same time they're already doing better than Donny.
And what if the feds got on board?
I am convinced he wanted a full blown insurrection the first time around, and fully planned to enter the capitol as newly coronated emperor. He wanted armed protesters to hang around his rally, and he fully planned to go there. The reason he didn't is that once he got into his car the secret service over ruled his last-minute request (because he knew it would not be approved), and he got MAD. He tried to physically take control of the car, but yeah, apparently the president does not have the authority to put himself in harm's way.
Check out paragraph 81 of the indictment. One of his co-conspirators was having a discussion with a lawyer; the lawyer said staying in office past January 20 would trigger “riots in every major city in the United States, and the co-conspirator replied, “Well, [lawyer], that’s why there’s an Insurrection Act”.
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He and his merry band of idiot followers can't organise a coup, they don't have the collective brain power. IQ in the low 40s, no idea what's going on in the world outside of their bubble, and prone to infighting and arguing about whose conspiracy theory is the correct conspiracy theory.
They all think they would just march in waving their guns around, and automatically win, but what would actually happen is they'd end up getting cut to ribbons, then the rest would run away.
you dont need millions of smart people. you only need a few hundred smart ones to guide the army of idiots
If I could describe the Republican party in two sentences, this would be it. They know they are liars too, but they just don't care as long as their voters do.
Wouldn’t the real last card be organizing & mounting a full blown insurrection? Not like the first attempt where he could try to keep his hands relatively clean of it, as he’s tried to do in a number of other criminal schemes related to his businesses.
I doubt he'd be capable of orchestrating that. he threw his insurrectionists under the bus last time by inciting them and then not pardoning them; Trumpers willing to do such a thing are in or going to prison. Makes it hard to incentivize the next batch.
He's lost support in the military. Can you imagine him trying to lead troops like a general? It would be the shortest coup ever. He'd probably change enemy troop locations with a sharpie because he doesn't like where they are.
Trump is good at spewing vile rhetoric, he's not competent or popular enough to carry out a successful violent insurrection.
Not to mention that the US military's senior officer corps absolutely despises him for a suite of reasons that should be obvious to anyone who's been half awake and has a brain.
Paragraph 83
Trump is briefed on an overseas national security issue, given some options to respond and his reply is "we'll leave that for the next guy" since it was too close to inauguration day.
I can't imagine Trump is popular with anyone outside of this stans.
Perhaps it was intended to be. Maybe even Trump is surprised he's still alive and out if jail
naw. he's going to keep doing it until they lock him up and take his phone away. I say we just skip the end and lock him up until the trial. And then forget where the key was placed.
If he keeps threatening witnesses, the prosecutor, judges, etc and refuses to stop he just might end up in jail. He'll definitely be given more chances to stop than you or I would. (Then again, if you or I were facing these charges, we'd be awaiting trial in a jail cell.) The DC judge doesn't seem like the type to allow shenanigans though. Eventually he'll exhaust her patience and he'll get a "next violation will send you to jail for contempt of court." Trump will inevitably violate this and she might send him to jail.
Of course, the right will yell and scream about how this is "Joe Biden imprisoning his political opponents," ignoring that Trump would have been given multiple warnings to stop his behavior and didn't listen. What happens to Trump shouldn't take "what will the right say" into consideration, though, apart from 1) shoring everything up against any good faith arguments and 2) increasing security against any crazies looking to hit at "those evil liberals that are persecuting God King Trump."
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I would put money on Trump violating the terms of this protective order. The question is will the court do what is necessary to prevent him from tainting a jury or tampering with witnesses which he has already warned about during his arraignment?
I want to believe that they will take these threats seriously given his track record of escalating violence when he has been backed into a corner. I just don't think it should require someone else getting injured or killed before they act. Multiple people have already lost their lives over this, and how many more is it going to take before he will be held accountable for that too?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Justice Department Special counsel Jack Smith appealed to the federal judge overseeing former President Trump’s election fraud case Friday evening to issue a protective order for evidence, citing social media threats.
“IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I’M COMING AFTER YOU!” the former president posted earlier on Truth Social — a move which has already drawn criticism with a former spokesperson for Trump calling it “chilling” and “witness intimidation.”
“Such a restriction is particularly important in this case because the defendant has previously issued public statements on social media regarding witnesses, judges, attorneys, and others associated with legal matters pending against him,” Smith wrote in the filing.
“If the defendant were to begin issuing public posts using details — or, for example, grand jury transcripts — obtained in discovery here, it could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case,” he added.
Prosecutors claimed the attempts to reach an agreement on a protective order with Trump’s legal team have been fruitless, and have prevented the prosecution from supplying documents to the defense as quickly as they would like.
Trump was indicted on four federal charges Tuesday, alleging that he attempted to orchestrate a fake electoral college vote scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 election.
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Man. What absolute asshat. What I could do with one iota of his confidence and self righteousness
Bravado (!=) Confidence. He is a spineless coward who has thrown every single person in his orbit to the wolves the minute that it suited his interests, insulated him from the consequences of his actions, or protected his fragile ego. I'm sure you're already a better person than Trump could ever hope to be.
True, but regardless of what you say about trump, he's figured out the way to get some people to see things his way. That must be nice
You could say the same thing about many a despot throughout the course of human history. Getting people to buy what you're selling through lies, intimidation, or lopsided power dynamics speaks more to his followers lack of ethics or common sense than the strength of his positions.
Hitler sure did rally lot of Nazi's too. Regardless of what you say about him, Adolf's figured out the way to get some people to see things his way. That must be nice.
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Protective order, not a gag order, as I understand it.
I'm hardly an expert, just someone who loves studying law by myself until I can afford formal law school, and I did a little PR work during my internship, but despise my rudimentary exposure, Trump, his spokespeople, and legal team are approaching these indictments in the completely wrong way. They are too adversial and argumentative. Speaking little and gently would be much more helpful, and maybe even opting for a guilty plea. Trump needs to stop whining about how much he hates being prosecuted and the publicists and attorneys on his payroll need to stop regurgitating his bellyaches. It's not like I think he won't be sentenced for being agreeable. He likely will, but maybe they'd be able to make some compromises. Now I know why Ivanka will not work on her father's current campaign. Her style of arguing is much more reserved, while her two eldest brothers have an aggressive style which seems to be the only one their father seems willing to emulate. I bet Trump did not listen to his daughter's advice often enough. Edited a word.
he WANTS to be a victim. he does these things to be targeted. so he can cry about being victimized.
I think your post is mostly sensible until I reached “guilty plea”. Not going to happen, in any universe. Guy has thinner skin than obese moulting orange lobster.
I bet Trump did not listen to his daughter’s advice often enough.
I read somewhere that she was one of the voices asking him to call off the Jan 6 rioters (because let's call them what they were; they may have started out protesting, but a bunch of them very much became rioters).
he is just lining up the next part of his big lie. the next part of his victimisation.
he is a narcissist. so he will never voluntarily admit anything.
gonna be that guy but as you said you might be moving into education soon - and I used to make the same mistake myself but "remedial" has the same root as "remedy," so a "remedial class" fixes something wrong. "Remedial exposure" doesn't really make sense here as that would be "exposure that fixes something wrong with me" which is not quite what I think you meant
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What exactly can they do or enforce
Well if you or I made veiled threats we would be imprisoned while awaiting trial for violating the terms of our release on personal recognizance. My question is what happens if someone else is injured or killed as his violent rhetoric once again escalates. Will he be held to account for that, or will the court act in an attempt to prevent that? It remains to be seen, but I firmly believe that if he causes any more violence they will be forced to detain him in house arrest at a minimum.
Any normal person charged with 60+ felonies would be held without bond. Trump unfortunately doesn’t really deal with the same punishment conventions
To be honest I’m shocked we’ve gotten this far in charging him
You only get so many chances at poking the bear before the bear decides to eat you.
Bullshit. The vast majority of the worst people on earth got to live out the rest of their days in peace.
Kissinger comes to mind
He's just taking advantage of what's already granted to people in these positions of power, it's just more absurd because it's Trump.
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