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[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 56 points 1 day ago (3 children)

While this is very funny, and definitely representative of a sort of ignorance/arrogance commonly found in ideologues - I recently learned that most people talking about the effect have, in fact, been Dunning-Krugering themselves.

Insightful video on the topic.

What most people expect the effect to look like:

What the actual results were:

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, it's really frustrating and quite ironic that pop culture keeps using this obscure scientific reference, that they don't really understand in its intended context, to describe something that really ought be plainly said: that we all have a tendency to overinflate our competence. if anything Dunning-Krueger showed that only the most seasoned experts judge themselves modestly. (and even then we'd likely only find their modesty in that particular area of expertise). it's a commentary on all of us!

But no, people name-drop this research just to dunk on people and feel smugly superior. (and I am glad I agree with the politics of the intellectual in the OP, that means it's okay and I'm a bit more competent too!) ugh. I cringe every time i read someone say Dunning-Krueger.

PS on your first image, whoever failed to put "phd student" at the trough of that curve fucked up

[–] anthropomorphized@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Fig 1 is a modified emotional change curve applied in learning and business settings. The term "Valley of Despair" is used in both concepts, and it's cool, memorable verbiage, but it shouldn't imply relation between Dunning-Kreuger and the change curve

https://forfengdesigns.com/tips-on-clawing-your-way-out-of-the-valley-of-despair-when-you-are-starting-a-new-business/

Image description: A modified emotional change curve from Evocon with Y-Axis being "attitude during change process" and X-Axis is time. There are 6 emotional phases described on this chart: 1. Neutral attitude, no knowledge; 2. Initial excitement, motivated; 3. Denial, indifferent, passive, apathy; 4. Resistance, frustration, doubt, anxiety (this phase falls below neutral and is described as "The Valley of Despair"); 5. Exploration, energized, small wins, creative; 6. Commitment, enthusiasm, problem solving, focus, team work.

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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wait until they learn about XXY, XYY, and XO individuals.

[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There hugs AND kisses people?

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[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 27 points 1 day ago

I swear I was learning about extra X and Y in high school 20 years ago and that studies (at the time) were showing correlation between different traits displayed by effected people. Just that alone shows incredible gender fluidity.

So where we are, 20 years later, you’d think we’d have a better understanding within society but instead somehow it’s literally regressed since then.

[–] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You know how a bunch of villains are Dr. So-and-So? I bet it's dealing with morons talking about your area of expertise that leads to one's villain era.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 1 day ago

"That's doctor Evil. I didn't spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called mister, thank you very much."

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[–] alykanas@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

How do you know if someone has a PhD.?

They tell you

Never not true

Tbf, they kinda earned the right to brag.

[–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well you don't know people with PhD that don't tell you they have one

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[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

How do you know someone has a PhD?

When it becomes acutely relevant, they'll politely let you know, and then you can become annoyed at them about it.

Thinking about it, that exact thing also applies to other 'how do you know someone is/has/does [...]' as well.

[–] Franklin@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 day ago

True, but I do think it was warranted in this case.

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 25 points 1 day ago

This is putting confirmation bias to the extreme.

[–] drtaco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Sometimes they don't tell you and just quietly update all of their usernames...

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Right? It's really weird...

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm a bit uninformed on this; it seems fascinating. Do these things happen due to something unusual during the growth of a fetus? What's the name for this phenomenon?

[–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (6 children)

There's a bunch of them, but one more common example is Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

It's also possible to have a non-functional SRY (XY but female), or to be XX with an SRY translocation (XX but male).

Biology is complicated: pretty much anyone who says it only happens one way or is really simple is wrong.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago

Very cool. Thanks!

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

"Yeah... SRY, but sex and gender are not a binary."

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (14 children)

Can someone explain to me how some XX people become cis male?

[–] match@pawb.social 75 points 1 day ago (3 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

tldr biology is dice rolls and humans are intersex for no reason sometimes

on a side note one of my friends had this and she only found out when she started transitioning. she is now a trans woman with XX chromosomes. i can only imagine how fucking vindicating it must have felt

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 day ago

De La Chappell syndrome, congenital adrenal hyperplasia, androgen exposure in utero, ovotesticular disorder of of sex development all result in a person with cis male characteristics and in some cases cis male typical genitalia despite having xx chromosomes

[–] forrgott@lemm.ee 40 points 1 day ago

Gene expression is not as straightforward as people think. All sorts of weird shit can happen, and that's not even including gene mutations.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/assets/File/Pitch_sketch_final.png?w=2000

This is the best resource I've seen to show things relatively simply.

The TL;DR is that a whole "Y" chromosome isn't exactly responsible for "maleness", the SRY gene is. It's normally on the Y chromosome, but mutations can occur placing that gene onto the X chromosome. Inversely, someone could inherit a Y chromosome without that gene, in which case they would develop with female traits.

It's not considered trans because someone with 46XX plus the SRY gene would develop male genitalia, be identified as male at birth, and likely identify themselves as male. For some types of these conditions, there are plenty of people walking around with no clue that their chromosomes don't match their gender.

Disclaimer: I'm not a geneticist, so i could have explained something a little off.

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[–] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I googled it for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XX_male_syndrome

In 90 percent of these individuals, the syndrome is caused by the Y chromosome's SRY gene, which triggers male reproductive development, being atypically included in the crossing over of genetic information that takes place between the pseudoautosomal regions of the X and Y chromosomes during meiosis in the father.[2][7] When the X with the SRY gene combines with a normal X from the mother during fertilization, the result is an XX genetic male. Less common are SRY-negative individuals, those who are genetically females, which can be caused by a mutation in an autosomal or X chromosomal gene.[2] The masculinization of XX males is variable.

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