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!religiouscringe@midwest.social
I was actually asked to leave my parents church because I was loudly arguing with the guy running a gift shop that if I were to follow Jesus, I should be flipping these tables, chasing them with whips, and damming them for turning gods house into a place of business occupied by thieves.
I guess they DON'T like considering what Jesus would do.
Gift shop... In a church... The Bars so low it's cracking the pavement.
This happens at churches of enough historical significance they become regular tourist attractions.
I live in Australia and this has been a thing in every pentecostal church I've been to.
So, the question I have, is where do the proceeds go, and how much is that guy making off it?
If the money for the merch goes to, say, feeding the homeless or even just the church’s general budget, I see it as a fundraiser, and not particularly offensive.
If the dude is pocketing the profits…. Yeah, fuck that dude.
So I'm in Canada and have never seen in a church but I have in a synagogue which made me chuckle because damn is it on point lol
They’d just take this as evidence of institutionalized persecution against Christians
Isn't the old testament more hardcore than the new one ? Jewish roulette would seem more risky than christian roulette
I mean, obviously Jesus would get arrested by modern "christians" for being a "leftist hippie commie"
Seeing as they claim Jesus amd Yahweh are one in the same you can't just ignore the OT. All the condoning slavery, taking child sacrifice as payment, stoning women who don't bleed on their wedding night.... that is all part of the Christian god.
The OT is in the Christian Bible because they can't ignore it, and shouldn't ignore it. But that doesn't mean following.
An eye for an eye is incompatible with turning the other cheek.
Slavery is entirely a human creation, neither the Bible nor the Torah tells believers to enslave other people but what is says, all from the OT to the NT, is "give to Caesar what's his and give to God what's His", I know it sucks but it's not that different from Stoic teachings, that's why Catholics (and other Christians) belief that suffering makes them closer to God.
Edit.
There is a huge debate in Christendom about the meaning of “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Some believe the OT rules stand, some believe that they don't. Catholics are taught the OT like kids learn history in school.
Whaaaaaaaa...?? "A human creation?" You can't have it both ways. Either the Bible is the word of God, or it's ALL "a human creation". But allowing for the sake of discussion that God exists, etc, the NT endorses slavery, discusses how to practice it morally, and says nothing to oppose it. The Christian god thinks it's okay for humans to own humans, according to both the OT and the NT; no different than owning a house or livestock.
What? God gave humans free will. God didn't made slavery, didn't made money, or democracy, didn't made wars. Basically He created the world as it was during paradise and the rest is our creation.
Although I would argue Angels are like slaves but that's not exactly the point of this and at least one rebelled so I don't know to what point they are or were slaves.
Haha no, god explicitly commanded slavery on multiple different instances. That's irrelevant though, as god is the one who created everything knowing how it would turn out with full ability to prevent it, making it 100% his fault. For example:
When God supposedly created Adam and Eve, he had perfect foreknowledge that they would eat from the tree and cause the bullshit that is the fall and original sin. And yet, he still put the tree there. He still put the serpent there. He still gave them access to the tree. He could have chosen not to let any of these things happen, but he didn't.
When a toddler swallows a bottle of poison you've left on the floor, whose fault is it? (Hint: it's not the toddler's, and it's certainly not the toddler's future great great great great great grandchildren's)
God commanded his followers to enslave people multiple times. Here is an introductory article on the topic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery
You're heading towards the problem of evil and determinism. Those topics are way to big for a casual post like this and have been argued for and against for a very long time. I don't this you'll be able to convince anyone of anything here.
Turning the other cheek isn’t incompatible with eye-for-an-eye.
The principle behind eye for an eye justice is that the sentence must fit the crime, instead of brutally excessive. Like cutting off people’s hand for stealing a loaf of bread.
Turning the other cheek doesn’t negate the law, it forgives the consequences of that law. It says “hey, I see you’re starving, here’s a second loaf.”
Incidentally, a man who is starving and the merchant not giving him bread was murder. But details.
Another way of saying it, is that Jesus simplified the law. Because they were too dumb to follow the first ten, Christ gave a simpler set of two:
Love god. Love your neighbor.
This doesn’t negate the 10, but encompasses them.
It's so weird how the last few years, Christians act like the OT has nothing to do with them.
It's not just the last couple years. Things have been taught that way by the Catholic Church for decades.
Centuries even!
Last few years? That’s been going on for 16-1700 years.
The Torah is certainly bad, but the New Testament has its fair share of problematic verses too
Eg
Mathew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Mark 7:24 - 28
Jesus left that place and went to the region of Tyre. Not wanting anyone to know He was there, He entered a house, but was unable to escape their notice. Instead, a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit soon heard about Jesus, and she came and fell at His feet. Now she was a Greek woman of Syrophoenician origin, and she kept asking Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
“First let the children have their fill,” He said. “For it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes, Lord,” she replied, “even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.”
The first one is pretty obviously meant as a metaphor, hardly problematic. The second one is too obscure for me to even figure out what they're trying to say, let alone figure out if it problematic or not.
The second passage is pretty well established as a joke that NT writers thought was an amazing burn. The "dogs" are the Pharisees, IIRC.
The "dogs" are the Canaanites. There's lots good to be said about the character of Jesus, but this verse is straight-up nationalist.
Merci! And yes, it is.
Let's industrialize this particular potential blasphemy.
https://dailyverses.net/random-bible-verse
Ed: > Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.
Mark 11:23
Hey at least I'm not going to prison.
Get wisdom, get understanding; do not forget my words or turn away from them.
do not forget my words or turn away from them
Yeah, prison
The first ten verses I pulled were innocuous. "God is pretty cool, actually" -type stuff.
It would not surprise me if it's rigged to be upbeat.
Again with the begatting!
I used https://randombible.org/ but it seems like the bible is just a series of random stories that make no sense.
How wild would it be if you actually met an all-powerful entity who created the entire universe. You ask it for some knowledge, and it tells you about the time it got mad at a tree for not producing figs
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+11%3A12-25&version=NIV
IT WASN'T EVEN FIG SEASON, JESUS!
So, there is at least one point that makes this make sense and maybe a second if I am reading it correctly. Would you care to hear it out? Or would you not be interested in hearing more? (Hopefully I remember to check back here. I have 0 clue what not-google google has to say about this tbh)
Nah not if it's gonna be some tenuous metaphor, but thanks for asking instead of trying to convert people in the atheism community!
I’m working on my salting with fire technique but not much progress yet.
I think I can own a Canadian legally now, though. Get a pardon for trying, anyway.
opens bible. Points at random verse. Ezekiel 23:20.
😨
I got Law-ception
"All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law."
Just... go to jail.. or don't... I don't know..