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Summary

JD Vance is actively working to raise his profile in the Trump administration after being overshadowed by Elon Musk.

During a recent Oval Office meeting, Vance took the lead to criticize Zelensky as “disrespectful,” setting up Trump to criticize Zelensky.

According to New York Times reporter Michael Shear, this confrontational approach is part of Vance's strategy to avoid being "relegated to the B-team" in what has become "one of the most fast-paced and aggressive administrations in modern history."

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[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Sorry to break it to you, guyliner, but under Trump you'll always be the b-team, at max. He'll throw you under the bus in a second if it serves his agenda.

And in this case you're struggling to reach even that segment as you're clearly outranked by a terminally online immigrant numpty who just want friends.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

He's still one heart attack away from the big chair .

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Firstly, "guyliner"?!:) I love it!!! Guyliner Couchthrob (it's immature but it contains no less truth than most of the things that come out of his mouth...).

On the actual context, and as some of the other comments line it out, there appear to be 3 subtle concurrent fault lines here:

  1. Trump who is only for himself (and putin).
  2. Musk
  3. The tech broligarchy whose goal is long-term power consolidation through propping up Guyliner Couchthrob as the successor

I think it's clear that trump will throw musk under the bus when he'll need a sudden boost in popularity. His plans with Guyliner are much less clear, I'm sure he's considering to keep him for medvedev/putin type of setup (from back when russia had term limits, LOL).

[–] Apeman42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Guyliner Couchthrob

Sounds like Guybrush Threepwood's racist couchfucker cousin.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Guyliner Couchthrob is to Guybrush Threepwood what Wario is to Mario

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

The Monkey Island porn parody nobody wanted.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I heard "guyliner" on a podcast. Don't remember which, so I won't take credit for that one. WTYP, probably.

Also, I'm not against guys wearing eyeliner in a reasonable manner (which Vance objectively does), it was just that it is the only visual and noteworthy trait about him.

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

There's nothing wrong with his ottoman erotic fixation either.:)

Jokes aside, I think guyliner is fair game to mock someone trying to be the arbiter of "traditional masculinity".

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah it's a decades-old term at this point.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hell he's not even qualified for the C team

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

C is for Couch tho. Pretty sure he's more than qualified.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

He's already on the C-team, Trump himself is on the B team and Musk is the A team apparently

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago

Desperation isn’t a strategy, J.D.—it’s just embarrassing.

🐱🐱

[–] AntelopeRoom@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Glad we blew up our relationship with Europe so this guy can make his career.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If we're very, very lucky and Trump gets impeached or randomly dies, Vance becomes President and he promptly superglues his own hands to the podium in the press room. Nobody comes to help him. Even the Secret Service guards decide it's not their problem.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I am hopeful that this means a bit more. Vance was catapulted into politics with money from Peter Thiel. If he is at risk of being relegated to the B-team maybe that means that Thiel and Trump are on the outs. Maybe Trump thinks he doesn't need Thiel's money anymore now that he has Musk's money.

The best hope for Democracy in America right now is if our new Oligarchs get too distracted fighting each other that they do a bit less damage, and accidentally let an actual election through in 2026.

[–] DokPsy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

This was my hope once the results came in. That they'd be too busy fighting each other for power to actually cause too much lasting damage

[–] errer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don’t kid yourself, Thiel and Musk founded PayPal together and despite prior friction they’ve always been on the same team. In fact Musk becoming a full blown fascist has been Musk’s “return to Jesus” moment as far as Thiel is concerned.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Note that Musk was not a PayPal founder, he helped found "X", a PayPal competitor that wasn't really doing that well, but managed to merge with PayPal after PayPal was winning the market.

Musk was also the one who about ran PayPal into the ground with incompetence and he was forced out of decision making to save the company.

Don't know if this changes anything relative to Thiel, but just wanted to highlight that Musk gets credited with PayPal but his history is first losing to them as a competitor and nearly ruining them as a leader, and finally getting a big sum off money for eBay for his failures...

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also, according to recent reports, people hate working with Musk. Each company has people who, if he ever shows up, part of their job is to keep him from interfering with people who are actually working. He's basically a toddler.

So, the point is that, if it was just their past of working together, you'd actually expect Musk and Thiel to be enemies.

I'm guessing that they do actually get along, though, for the exact same reason that modern day Nazis have to stick together.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fun fact:

Thiel also called musk a socioopath.

The article:

https://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-elon-musk-relationship-contrarian-book-max-chafkin-2021-9?op=1

And don't forget the rest of the paypal mafia who basically created modern society and its tech disopia :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PayPal_Mafia

[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Good luck with that couch fucker.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bruh. You're the vice president. Your fucking job is to be the head of the b-team. Amazing how the fragile old man shit baby managed to find a fragile middle aged shit baby to be his running mate

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah most vice presidents don’t sit next to the president when he has Oval Office meetings with foreign leaders. He should be out kissing babies and visiting donut shops and shit.

Now we’ve got Trump, musk and Vance all trying to be the biggest dickheads in the room

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

most vice presidents don’t sit next to the president

For rather important security reasons

Now we’ve got Trump, musk and Vance all trying to be the biggest dickheads in the room

Once Boeing finishes the new Air Force One, they should all have their dickwaving contests on board, it'd be grand. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the plane.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

B team means no more couches to fuck, ottomans and small armchairs only.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's just looking for a lusty Chesterfield

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Has to settle for a dusty Poang.

I wish Vance's mom put him on the Plan B team instead of inflicting this lifelong b team loser on the world.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vance needs to be relegated to my grandma's curio cabinet with the other Hummels

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Just make sure to keep the couch covers on.

[–] dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

This tool should be happy he is a vice president, holy fuck. He is already a contender for least qualified VP in history. I would keep my head down and aim for a defence consultation contract or lobbyist position in four years.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Can anyone remind me who this Vance character is?