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Why the hell is CNN charging a subscription now? Are people really stupid enough to pay it?
Press the button that makes all that stuff go away so you can just read the article...
The jury nullification toolkit:
https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf
I am going to cross fingers for it, but wouldn’t the state just resue in a higher court?
I really don’t think that even a dem controlled supreme court would allow it, but a republican one? We will be lucky if Luigi isn’t yahoo-ed
wouldn’t the state just resue in a higher court?
No, because the constitution prohibits double jeopardy.
Pls correct me, but you can challenge a ruling for mistrials, can’t you?
And the higher court decides the legitimacy of the prev ruling, right?
Jury nullification means acquittal, and you cannot retry someone after acquittal.
Also prosecutors generally cannot appeal an acquittal.
Non-lawyer but...
If a jury comes to a conclusion then the defendant is not guilty then it's game over. A mistrial had to be called before deliberation happen, and that would have to have some material misconduct during the trial, not just 'I think we gonna lose'. A guilty verdict could be appealed but that appeal is only to decide if the case was conducted fairly (for a retrial request) or to assess the validity of a sentence.
Basing it off some time I did a lot of legal/court adjacent work for a few years, but I'm pretty sure that's right.
Mistrials and appeals only work for a guilty verdict. They aren't an option for a not guilty verdict.
Assuming the trial results in a hung jury the state can refile the case over and over again - but if the outcome isn't viewed as a fluke then it's just a huge waste of money.
To clarify a hung jury and jury nullification are different things. The most likely outcome is probably a hung jury and I'd rate a non-guilty declaration as more likely than a guilty declaration.
Please see rule 4 and update your post title
Fixed, looks like they changed it on me
It happens, no worries. That’s why I usually comment instead of delete with Rule 4
Appreciate it. I swear most news sites will change a title 3, 4 times after publication these days. Must have some shit to do with SEO or something.
Sounds to me like either:
Rule 4 definitely shouldn't be rescinded, there would be way too much editorializing of titles to fit the posters narrative (because let's be real, >50% of users don't open the article, at least not at first). It definitely needs to stay in a true news community.
A timestamped archive version would be nice but you then end up taking away direct traffic from legitimate websites- the same problem as the AMP link I unfortunately had to use above. No traffic, no survival. (Granted I will happily post an archive link when content is paywalled; but most other sites do still need that traffic.)
your options 3 and 4 could work fine- 3 just seems like spam and you'll get people hating it like the MBFC bot, and 4 already partially exists- in the form of the link tagline that appears under the post when you actually open it. Warning users about noncompliance and letting them decide if they care enough to change it or not is probably fine enough for now.
I just feel like forcing people to babysit their posts when it isn't their fault that the news outlet changed the title out from under them might discourage posting.
The preceding discourse was civilized and adult, and I am a better person for having witnessed it. Well done all.
Lots of sites will do A/B testing with their headlines/thumbnails. Some users will see version A, some will see version B. After X amount of time, whichever version saw the most traffic becomes the "final" version which all users will see. I imagine news outlets are doing something similar, as well.
Not sure the mods are the ones to worry about, last I heard the admin on this instance was censoring and/or prohibiting talk of jury nullification.
IIRC, it's because the country this instance is hosted in has laws that make it difficult to publicly discuss the subject.
No, it's hosted in the United States where is is a perfectly valid, legal term and you are absolutely allowed to talk about it.
The reason given was that they were afraid of being sued, but that reason does not stand up to scrutiny for a variety of reasons including the above (plus, nobody would have the standing to sue and even if they did they still could not successfully sue the host).
I don't know if their admin has an agenda or they're just being excessively cautious, but there is no valid legal reason whatsoever to censor talk of legal terminology (even one that is controversial).