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Please do not remove mods, really sorry for the Google AMP link, but this is a "subscribers only" blocked article on CNN that for some reason AMP just straight up bypasses and opens fine.

Direct link: https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/10/us/jury-nullification-luigi-mangione-defense/index.html.

Edit 1: updated title, CNN changed it on me

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 38 points 6 hours ago

Repost of my own comment in a different community:

I would say that jury nullification isn’t just some accident of the legal system, but the primary reason we have juries in the first place.

Judges will say that juries are meant to just decide the simple facts of the case. But what sane person would ever design a system that assigns 12 random untrained nobodies to do that task? If all that mattered was judging the facts of the case, why not have 12 legal scholars instead? Why isn’t “juror” a profession, just like being a lawyer or judge is? If we want people to just apply the letter of the law to the facts of a case, why not fill juries with professionals, each who had a legal degree, and who have sat as jurors hundreds of times? Judging evidence and reading law is a skill. And it’s one that can be educated on, trained, and practiced. Why do we have amateur juries, when professional juries would clearly do their purported job so much better? Or why not just do what some countries do, and have most or all trials decided solely by judges? What exactly is the point of a jury? Compared to everything else in the courtroom, the jurors, the ones actually deciding guilt or innocence, are a bunch of untrained amateurs. On its face, it makes no damn sense!

No, the true reason, and really the only reason, we have juries at all is so that juries can serve to judge both the accused AND the law. Juries are meant to be the final line of defense against unjust laws and prosecution. It is possible for a law itself to be criminal or corrupt. Legislative systems can easily be taken over by a tiny wealthy or powerful minority of the population, and they can end up passing laws criminalizing behaviors that the vast majority of the population don’t even consider to be crimes.

The entire purpose of having a jury is that it places the final power of guilt and innocence directly in the hands of the people. Juries are meant as a final line of defense against corrupt laws passed by a minority against the wishes of the greater majority. An unaccountable elite can pass whatever ridiculous self-serving laws they want. But if the common people simply refuse to uphold those laws in the jury box, those laws are meaningless.

THAT is the purpose of a jury. It is the only reason juries are worth the trouble. A bunch of rank amateurs will never be able to judge the facts of a case better than actual trained legal scholars with years of experience. But by empowering juries, it places the final authority of the law firmly in the hands of the people. That is the value of having a jury at all.

Jury nullification is not just some strange quirk or odd loophole in our justice system. It’s the entire reason we have juries in the first place.

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 20 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Hmm, maybe convict him, but give him no penalty and no imprisonment?

That's a thing, right?

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

We the jury find the defendant GUILTY! We sentance him to a fine of $1 and a lifetime membership to United Healthcare!

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[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 11 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, I think that happened to some really important guy a few days back.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I believe the jury decides guilt or innocence, but the judge determines the sentence... In most cases

[–] prof_wafflez@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

Yep that’s how that works

[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'm amazed Luigi hasn't had an "accident" in jail

[–] mouserat@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure if you refer to this accident, but Jeffrey knew too much and was a risk. Luigi is not a risk anymore, his followers are. And they would probably be fueled by his death.

[–] PauloPelle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah; he's already become evangelised to an absolutely insane degree globally that the ruling class didn't see coming, making any rash moves, especially any that would martydom him, would backfire.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 20 points 7 hours ago

“I wonder whether a jury, whether they get impaneled, really buys his message, hates health care so much that they say, ‘Hey, look, we saw what you did. We know what you did, but we’ll excuse it,’” CNN Legal Analyst Joey Jackson said last month.

Sure, 'hating healthcare' is the issue here...

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 131 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Jury nullification is an important logical conclusion of American jurist rules. This post will stay up.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)
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