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A drone collision grounded one of two Super Scooper planes battling Los Angeles wildfires, leaving a critical resource unavailable.

The collision damaged the aircraft's wing, forcing its grounding, and temporarily paused other firefighting flights, creating significant delays.

The FAA emphasized the dangers of flying drones near wildfires, noting it’s a federal crime with penalties up to $75,000 and prison time.

Over 36,000 acres have burned, with officials warning that delays in air support allow wildfires to spread rapidly, endangering lives and property.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 26 minutes ago

It's not all bad news. Mel Gibson's house burned down.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

For anyone interested, the plane is the CL-415 and the following video shows how it loads up with water.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cHuoXD_VmBs

Now imagine what could have happened if that fucking drone had hit the wing while the plane was 20 ft off the water.

I hope they catch that asshole and fine him big time.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago

Marrone warned that federal officials were monitoring the area and had the ability to identify who was flying drones.

What with all the drone hysteria in NJ this is amusing.

[–] Anissem@lemmy.ml 26 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They should brand that fucker with the smoldering remains and parade them around town so we can all take turns peeing on them

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago

Yup. That's a H U G E hole in the leading edge of the wing.

I mean that's the kind of shit that brings planes down.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 99 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

It would be nice to have clarification that the drone was being operated by a private individual. Is it possible that this was an accident by another group trying to address the wildfires problem? I think the reason for that drone flying in the first place is relevant to gain some context.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

My money's on it being LAPD. A cop would have just the attitude needed to think the rules don't apply to them.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

I don't know about the states, but in the UK. A police force decided to operate a drone for their own use. The CAA tried to politely educate them on the rules, and were, effectively told to eff off. A £35,000 ($43,000) fine was quite an effective slap on the wrist.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How exactly would a drone address the problem?

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Detailed fire tracking. From the ground, it's difficult to tell if the fires is wrapping around you etc. By getting a bit of altitude, you can see what's going on, and act accordingly.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)

There are other options. Heck, fire bombers usually are accompanied by their own sorter aircraft.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

It's likely a scale thing. A satellite gives full coverage, but it's working at a large scale, with a long time lag. A plane is more local, with less time lag, but still quite a large scale. A drone is hyper local, with almost no time lag. Depending who is asking, all 3 can be extremely useful.

I can unfortunately see where communication could break down. Local firefighters wanted hyper local information. They didn't coordinate with the larger effort, and so the accident could have happened.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

That's what bird dogs are for (although I'm unsure if Cali is using them).

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 34 points 5 hours ago

The Los Angeles Fire Department released photos of the plane, including one showing the damage. It said the plane was struck by "a civilian drone."
The Federal Aviation Administration has opened an investigation, and noted in a statement that it had not authorized anyone unaffiliated with firefighting operations to fly drones in the area.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-sopfeu-plane-grounded-1.7427777

[–] littletoolshed@lemmy.world 63 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

This is the only speculation laid out in the article around the operator:

The drone operator has not been identified, but there has been speculation online, with many social media users pointing to photography accounts that have posted aerial images of the fires.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Don't drones broadcast identifying information? I'm surprised they aren't able to find the operator.

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

Reminds me of the 4chan user who gave live updates of his bank robbery. People can't help but publish their crimes for clout

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, it's not just "America" it's "LA"...

Occam's razor is some shit head ignored important safety regulations for views.

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 30 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a serious bummer all around. But wow, does that article suck on its lack of detail. But I guess actually digging into the facts wouldn't make for clickable headlines. "Oooooh, DRONES!"

  1. There are Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFR) in place for that region.

  1. Was the drone part of monitoring/firefighting efforts? If it was, that is a terrible error on the part of the sUAS operator and observer. Then again, smoke and fire, which would make for a less interesting story. "Drone participating in firefighting hits plane." Editor: Boooring! Let's make it vague so we can cash in on some drone fears.

  2. Lots of drones won't even fly in a TFR zone. More professional drones will warn the pilot AND provide a warning about planes in proximity.

  3. All sUAS 250 grams and larger are required to have RemoteID. Plenty of drones won't even fly unless the RemoteID is functioning fully. And if it shits the bed during flight, lots of drones will just automatically land. Again, except for more professional models or for small cheapies. So one of two things are true: the FAA knows exactly who the responsible party is, or the operator is an utter douchecanoe

[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

If that drone doesn't have a very valid, emergency services type reason to be there, that would make the operator an irresponsible asshole.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

My guess is it's an LAPD operator. The civilians stayed out of the restricted airspace. Some chud cop thinks the rules don't apply to him, so he flies a drone in an unauthorized zone. He manages to hit a firefighting plane. And the LAPD quickly sweeps the whole thing under the rug and blames it on a never-found civilian.

[–] the_hex@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Having working in the field for a few years, the amount of utterly irresponsible assholes would shock you. I was on a few hundred thousand hectare fire, and someone was flying their small personal aircraft over the area repeatedly. He was arrested when he landed at the nearest airport, but for a few hours all the helicopter support was grounded because of one jackass who wanted a better view.

[–] galaskorz@discuss.online 1 points 5 hours ago

I’m sure it was worth the money made from the videos they took.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Nice. Fucking nice.