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Fresh from pouring his money and energies into helping Donald Trump win reelection, Elon Musk has trained his sights on Europe, setting off alarm bells among politicians across the continent.

The Tesla and SpaceX chief executive has endorsed the far-right Alternative for Germany, demanded the release of jailed U.K. anti-Islam extremist Tommy Robinson and called British Prime Minister Keir Starmer an evil tyrant who should be in prison.

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Can he be luigied?

[–] FatherGascown@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

We need someone to murder him, too.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

The solution to this is to stop putting our faith in government and live a more localized, tribal lifestyle.

[–] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I say we go back to the trees.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

Yeah, well stay out of my oceans.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, that's working out really well in Haiti.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Just gonna point out the obvious - this "tribal lifestyle" you speak of would be amazing... for about 1% of the population that would be happy with a subsistence agrarian lifestyle.

For the other 99% of us it would create more problems than it solves. How do you have any form of technology whatsoever without organisation, which requires regulation, and regulators, which we call government.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

tribalism noun

  1. the state or fact of being organized in a tribe or tribes

  2. the behaviour and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group

It doesn't have to be a hunter-gatherer society. Focus on what's around you instead of what's far away. Local news. Local elections. Local businesses. Local friends.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That would work even less. Thats a breeding ground for oppression, lying, control of knowledge etc on a much bigger scale than we have today. Think the catholic church in the middle ages, or to go smaller incase of your tribalism, lords and small towns. It just wont work how you imagine it would

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Do they make antibiotics in your neighborhood?

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 1 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

You can still trade with other people.

The meaning of what I'm saying is to focus on problems you can affect, not ones that only affect you as much as you let them.

Slacktivists won't like this, though.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

Which tribe will run the pharmaceutical manufacturing plant and who assures they won't put poison in it to wipe out a rival tribe?

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 31 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

It'd help to be more than alarmed and actually take action against the threat.

I think it might be too late. We just don't have the mechanics in place to manage this type of threat.

Take for example Musk's "lottery" in the US. If not technically contrary to law, very much contrary to the spirit of the law, and while I suspect that some kind of "action" was commenced, it was certainly never progressed in any meaningful way. Closing the gate not only after the proverbial horse has bolted, but after that horse has run amok, sired a foal on the prize mare, and grown old and died.

It was hard enough when nana was sharing memes on facebook or your second cousin was getting radicalised on youtube. Now social platforms are openly influencing "engagement" with bots, very obviously supporting far right rhetoric in the name of "free speech", and avoiding any suppression of misinformation.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

How hard is it to ban his stupid fucking propaganda outlet

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Liberal "they go low, we go high" hard.

I was there when the first far-right parties took hold in Europe. Politicians were looking into censoring the shit out of them from the internet, but then "free speech absolutists" started to cry "that would be like the Soviet Union, they killed a lot more people than the nazis".

While European nazis doxxed people for calling them nazis, redefining the word "racism" to mean "irrational hatred of an ethnic group with the sole intent of evil", etc., hate speech laws did not catch up with them. We even had early examples of nazis radicalizing gamers through shitty games (one infamous example is by Hungarian "centrist satirist" Tamás "Tomcat" Polgár, by writing the most (in)famous Hungarian language text adventure games, filled with "satirical" racism), and I wouldn't be surprised if the alt-right later on learned from their successes and mistakes.

Best we got is Hungary expanding the definition of Holocaust denial to include the "um, ackchually, we're only questioning the suspiciously high numbers" types, which is now barely enforced by Fidesz.

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 3 points 2 hours ago

“Freedom of speech” now means “freedom to be racist”.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 59 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Elon Musk is beyond insane, he is batshit crazy.
According to Musk, Keir Starmer should be in prison but this idiot who repeatedly breaks laws should not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson

Robinson served four prison terms between 2005 and 2019. In 2013, he illegally entered the United States using a friend's passport. In 2018, he violated a court order by publishing a Facebook Live video of defendants entering court. Prior to sentencing, he appeared on the American far-right website InfoWars to appeal for political asylum in the US. In 2021, he was subjected to a five-year stalking prevention order for harassing journalist Lizzie Dearden and her partner. In 2021, he was found to have libelled a 15-year-old refugee at a school in Huddersfield and was ordered to pay £100,000 plus legal costs. After breaching an injunction about repeating the libel, Robinson was sentenced to 18 months in prison. In June 2022 Robinson admitted gambling away £100,000 before declaring bankruptcy.

Why the fuck would anyone of their right mind choose to support such trash?

The only conclusion is that Elon Musk is not of his right mind, and should probably be committed to protect both himself and others from his insanity.

Edit for clarity:
Added "According to Musk, "

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Watch the Connoreatspants stream with "Adrian Dittmann," it went so bad it's why he had to admit he really is Dittmann.

If you can stomach it, stay the whole time and listen to his views. He is seriously unhinged and views all human relationships as performative. He doesn't understand emotions or care about them to the point that he thinks he doesn't experience them despite his emotions being spectacularly on display anytime Connor got under his skin, which was a lot. He gets so fucking steamed.

In a way, we are actually really lucky he is so honest about who he is and how he works.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Why would I want to watch that?

In a way, we are actually really lucky he is so honest about who he is and how he works.

Who?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

I had never heard of this Adrian Dittmann business. I did a bit of searching and there is also this, from the conservative publication The Spectator, arguing that Dittmann is a real person:

https://thespectator.com/topic/real-adrian-dittmann-not-elon-musk-x-account-fiji/

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hany-farid-40a97935_im-fielding-questions-about-the-identity-activity-7280260035757154304-TBnE

Here a professional does some research on audio clips from both Dittmann and Musk and comes to the conclusion that while it's not impossible they are different people, it's indeed highly improbable.

I've read The Spectator story and I'm unconvinced. Why does Dittmann seem to know a lot of about the companies internals or know Musk's mind? Why do they have eerily similar opinions on nearly everything?

Musk is seriously unhinged, and I don't think he actually spends a moment of time working as much as he likes to pretend he does. He even got outed for faking his POE ranking in the last few days. (This was after previously being kicked for "cheating" and then denying he cheated) He pays people to make him seem like a more "Epic Gamer" than he actually is. I don't believe he's above making fake accounts mostly because he's literally been caught doing it before and having to admit it in a deposition. He was caught posting under an account made to look like his own son, was posting weird babytalk and weird sex talk.

Coupled with this photo and rumors that he was kicked out of the Bay Area Babyfur community in 2009 is all I need to know personally.

The idea that he couldn't be Adrian Dittmann is honestly sillier than him being Adrian Dittmann, in my opinion. Further, nothing in the article is solid proof of much of anything, especially because Musk can unilaterally take over anyone's account because he owns the site. Even if the account at one point was owned by a real Adrian Dittmann, the question is whether or not that person still really has control over the account.

Recall that Musk stole the X account from a longtime user. He is obviously not above stealing user accounts if it benefits him.

Finally, his laugh man. You can fake a lot about another person, but a laugh is hard hard hard hard to mimic. Why is Dittmann's laugh a fucking exact replica of Musks? Even if their voices sounded similar, the likelihood of them both laughing the exact same way is even more unusual.

[–] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 6 points 19 hours ago

Just a heads up, the author of this article worked with maia crimew on it and then poorly presented the evidence in a right-wing paper with no credit. Here’s maia’s post with more solid evidence:

https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/adrian-dittmann/

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Remind me again, why should Keir be in prison?

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 15 points 19 hours ago

Because he didn’t prosecute child groomers.

Despite being the first prosecutor to do just that.

But I guess he was too late to do it, even though Elon didn’t mention it anywhere near when it actually happened.

Hindsight is sometimes 20/20, but in this case I think Elon’s hindsight is 14/88.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Cuz Musk said so. The point OP was trying to make was that Musk says Starmer should be imprisoned and yet wants to release a real criminal.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Exactly, I edited my post to make that clear.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I have no idea, probably because he isn't fascist enough for Musk.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 13 points 17 hours ago

You have every right to be alarmed.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

We can all hope for early dementia, heart attack or unfortunate voyage to Titanic or the moon or Mars. Somewhere between the moon and mars would be awesome. Or maybe a successful sun landing! Be unique!

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Those still clinging to the rules based order need to realize they are under attack. Its war on multiple fronts.

Under attack by Russia, Iran, North Korea and Chinese military action. and Under attack by Often Russian aligned, Fascist elements within NATO countries. Trying to seize power globally.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago

I can't wait until he fucks off to Mars and takes his fanboys with him.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 3 points 15 hours ago

There's not a single fucking "alarmed" politician in Europe, is there? 😂

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

He’s a stage 4 shithead, sorry world.

[–] alexc@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

The fault here is not necessarily Musk. He asked these Politicians (and others like them) to reduce the barriers to putting money into Politics. These politicians agreed.

Remember this.

You didn’t enable him by voting for this. These alarmed politicians changed the laws to permit it. We need to be asking our politicians to get rid of these laws, and then tax billionaires out of existence.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Hold the fucking phone... European countries looked at the fallout from Citizens United in the US and said "well have some oligarchy too please!" !?

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm unfamiliar with this topic, which politicians/countries changed their laws?

[–] alexc@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Laws perhaps not, but lobbying (which is the action by which corporate interests exert control) in the EU is still a problem - https://esthinktank.com/2023/05/29/corporate-lobbying-in-the-european-union/

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 2 points 15 hours ago
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 2 points 18 hours ago

Really? A bunch of people didn't vote and just let Trump win + the democratic party fucked up and didn't learn from it. Elon Musk helped, but he wasn't the deciding factor.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 0 points 20 hours ago

Any more of this and we all should be considering passing into law arsher anti social statutes, from any political quadrant or entity.