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I think we need all support we can get to fight Google on this, so I welcome Brave here actually.

Use this link to avoid going to Twitter:

https://nitter.kavin.rocks/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

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[–] dill@lemmy.one 135 points 1 year ago (17 children)
[–] Silinde@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I personally switched back to Firefox after 13 years earlier this year and was surprised just how easy it was. All my main extensions exist on Firefox and it gave me an opportunity to remove some extension bloat at the same time. Highly recommend.

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Try container tabs!

They have separate sessions so you can be logged in to the same site on multiple accounts. This is extreamly useful for stuff like being logged in to github using work account and company account or other sites where you just need many accounts. Aws is another good example.

There is also temporary containers that leave no trace at all.

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[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 68 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The DRM will be so interwoven into the core engine that they won't be able to remove it. chromium is a sinking ship

[–] Asudox@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Time to switch to Firefox as the base.

[–] d4bn3y@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

This is the way.

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[–] aksdb@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago

It might be interwoven, but at the end there are three interfaces:

  1. the headers or tags that trigger it to be enabled for a website
  2. the API towards the attester
  3. the headers that are added to subsequent call to include the verdict of the attester

It should be enough to disable/sabotage nr. 1. If not, you can sabotage nr. 2 so it simply doesn't attest shit. And finally you can suppress adding the verdict to the responses.

If the actual "fingerprinting" or whatever else is in there is still intact doesn't matter if you just don't trigger it.

Of course webservers would simply deny serving brave then. But it's still a good move. The more browsers get "denied", the easier it will be to make a case against websites for some kind of discrimination.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

God I hope so, Google's definitely in that "Live long enough to become the villain" camp of the infamous dichotomy (is that the right word) offered from that line from Dark Knight.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Chromium is open source. Brave can just fork it.

[–] 4z01235@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"Just" fork it. Right.

It's a massive undertaking to maintain a fork of something that large and continue pulling in patches of later developments.

Not to say that Brave doesn't have the resources to do so - I really don't know their scale - but this notion of "just fork" gets thrown around a lot with these kinds of scenarios. It's an idealistic view and the noble goal of open source software, but in practical and pragmatic terms it doesn't always win, because it takes time and effort and resources that may not just be available.

[–] fernandofig@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Did you read the tweet from Brendan Eich linked in the OP? According to him, Brave already is a fork, and he provides a link to a (surprisingly) extensive list of things that are removed / disabled from chromium on their browser.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave have started their marketing spree to try and distract from their most recent controversy. Like clockwork, every time they do something controversial they start marketing to drum up new users.

[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Just a reminder that Brendan Eich who founded Brave was ousted from Mozilla for being a homophobic piece of shit.

Brave is the edgelord of browsers.

[–] static_motion@programming.dev 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Don't forget that he inflicted the blight that is JavaScript upon the world.

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[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago

I don't agree with Brave's business model, and the shady stuff they did, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Their business model is replacing ads with ads they get paid for. Obviously they aren't going to like Google making that harder.

[–] abraham_linksys@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Brendan Eich is an asshole deep in the Conspiracy Victim Complex too. I like Brave search as an alternative to Google but I'm still using Firefox

[–] sci@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He also had to leave Mozilla in 2014 due to opposition to same-sex marriage.

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[–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least there is a big (ish?) player in the Chromium-sphere pushing back against this.

The more browsers that don't initially support this, the slower adoption by web sites will be. If enough of the browser market share remains incompatibe, and if we're lucky, maybe this technology won't stick.

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[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (8 children)

https://nitter.net/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

Nitter link.

Also, the Chromium forks need to get onboard. I think Opera doesn't care about ads either so it will likely go against it but Microsoft will definitely add it to Edge.

Use Firefox :)

[–] gaw@lemmy.cafe 20 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Brendan is quick to act when it comes to $$$$.. and anti LGBT law

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[–] not2betruffledwith@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Had been using Brave for 4 years. Switched from it to Firefox after the Google DRM news came out. Firefox is awesome!

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I never liked Brave. The whole "allow ads to get awards" thing doesn't sit right with me. The only adblockers that do that are the ones that are in bed with the ad companies. Firefox with UBlock Origin and NoScript is all you need.

(I mean, there are other good addons for privacy as well, but it's easy to go down a rabbit hole and next thing you know you have 30 different extensions installed and websites are breaking. Then you have to start disabling things one-by-one until you find the culprit. Setting your security settings in FF to "Strict" and using those two addons should be good enough without going overboard.)

Edit: only thing that sucks about Firefox is that it still doesn't support HDR and RTX Video Super Resolution yet, so in the meantime I use the "Open in Chromium" browser extension when I'm watching videos on YouTube, so that they display properly with all the enhancements.

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[–] snowgrimm@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Don't care, still won't use out of principle.

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[–] Powerpoint@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Switched back to Firefox myself. Highly recommend.

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[–] UnknownQuantity@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't get all the hate Brave gets. I understand that techies have some issues, but for me as a user I have nothing bad to say. Ads are blocked everywhere, including YouTube. There's an option to use tor...

If you don't like the crypto options don't use them. I always thought crypto was bunk, but I wish I bought a bunch of bitcoin when I first heard of it.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't like it because it's a chrome derivative. Sure, they use Chromium and can edit some things. But at the end of the day, they use the Chrome javascript engine and render the HTML/CSS however Google wants to. Therefore Google more or less defines how that browser represents the web. If Google wants to implement or not implement some web standard, Brave has to follow along whether they like it or not.

I want less power in Google'a hands, not more.

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[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I don't understand.

There's loads of people for whom 3 or 4 sites make up 99% of "the web", and those sites will just stop working for people using browsers without WEI support.

I just don't really see how a browser could be viable in the future without WEI support.

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 76 points 1 year ago (10 children)

And that's exactly the point. WEI makes it a world where big tech decides if they are going to support a competing browser, a competing operating system like Linux, or plugins against ads. They can also force you to have any number of plugins installed, from their choosing.

It destroys the free web completely.

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[–] Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

I've seen a bunch of people on here claim brave was just a chromium skin, glad to see that it's actually a fork. Still gonna stick with firefox though.

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