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It is an unprecedented case. And it risks triggering an unprecedented threat to journalism. The UK police have repeatedly tried to obtain the passwords to the phones of the British independent journalist, Richard Medhurst, the first reporter arrested in London under Section 12: his analyses and comments on Israel’s bloodbath in Gaza – which Amnesty International has characterised as genocide – have been interpreted by the police as support for organisations banned from the UK, such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

The British journalists’ union, the NUJ, and the International Federation of Journalists (IFJ) publicly condemned his arrest and the use of anti-terrorism laws against journalists “simply for carrying out their work”.

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[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 15 points 2 days ago

So this is basically the $5 wrench attack, but by the government

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

“The ultimate test of a society’s freedom is not how it treats its good, obedient, compliant citizens; it’s how it treats its dissidents.” - Glenn Greenwald

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 95 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If you search his name, you'll see exactly zero big news orgs covering this story. BBC, Reuters, AFP, every British newspaper, all notable by their absence. Why? This is A Story, right?

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

There are a few reasons this can happen.

Super Injunction (sometimes self applying). But these tend to be used for privacy issues.

Unverifiable sources (which is why jumping to assuming a gag order is sometimes premature)

And it's possible that the major outlets are trying to prepare reports in a watertight way. Or that part of the story just hasn't been proven/released yet.

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'd like one of these to be the reason, but I see no evidence to support it.
Super injunction - as you say, usually used for privacy issues, unlikely to apply here and if it is the case, then the other, smaller, news orgs covering the story would be in trouble.
Unverifiable sources - the IFJ is a rock solid source. Even if it weren't, then this claim would assume that the news orgs that have published are all guilty of cowboy journalism.
Watertightness - for the Panama papers, yes. For this small story, no way. It's A Story, and it's the journalist's job to get copy out as quickly as possible.
As I said I'd like it if any of these were the case and thanks for pointing them out as I certainly hadn't thought of them when I wrote my comment, but I'm still just not seeing it. It seems like a decision has been made not to pursue this story, but I'm not jumping to conclusions as to why. It's hard to keep the faith though, when there are zero major outlets reporting on it, which means that decision not to pursue has been made multiple times by multiple different editors. WTF

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

According to the article the British Journalist Union condemned the arrest.

Medhurst openly supports Palestinian armed resistance. Which is probably why the big newspapers do not report on him.

[–] frozenpopsicle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 103 points 4 days ago

"including a highly secure phone with a Graphene operating system"

Wow, what an endorsement.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I dislike Richard Medhurst for a whole bunch of reasons.

Pro-Assad, pro use of child soldiers (as long as it's the side he supports anyway), has expressed he wants to ethnically cleanse Israelis, is an avid supporter of China and denier of the Uighur genocide, is a contributor to and paid by PressTV (Iranian government owned news), is a contributer to and paid by Russia Today, believes NATO are the aggressors in the Russia-Ukraine war, etc.

There's also allegations from two women that he groomed them while they were teenagers, but as this is unproven I will assume his innocence on that one.

I don't think of this person as a journalist at all. He's a hack. A hack that has shown support of more than one proscribed terrorist institutions.

But I do believe you should have a fundamental right to privacy and not having to give your passwords up. Failing to give up his password should result in no extra charges against him IMO.

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Section 12 of the Terrorism Act 2000 criminalises anyone who “invites support for a proscribed organisation” or “expresses an opinion or belief that is supportive” of such a group. Those arrested under the section say the threshold is so low that individuals could be arrested with no intention of doing anything they are charged with.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/free-speech-threatened-as-journalists-treated-like-terrorists/

This law seems so broad, that it could be used to arrest anyone they want.

How does "expresses an opinion or belief that is supportive" work? If Hamas is in support of rescueing puppies and I am in support of rescueing puppies, does that make me a terrorist in the UK?

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This law seems so broad, that it could be used to arrest anyone they want.

that is very likely the point. the UK has been trying to crank down hard on the “troublemakers” with rather general laws recently. another example being section 7 of the public order act. or really just the public order act as a whole

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

UK as a country hates its citizens

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 54 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As someone from a dictatorship I seriously can't stress the importance of fighting this case and others like it. These people are trying to steal democracy from you, so hold on for dear life and do not let go. It'll be too late if you wait until there's a secret police arresting people for criticizing the state.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

❤️ I hope you and your family are well.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 74 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Where can I donate to their legal fund?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Richard has a Patreon and direct donation button. However this is a general donation and not solely for legal funds.

https://www.richardmedhurst.com/donate/

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fitting that someone with your username would comment on this story.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 67 points 4 days ago

This is clear abuse of power and the officers detaining him should face false imprisonment charges.

[–] 01011@monero.town 21 points 3 days ago

"The police have no chance of extracting the information from the Graphene operating system phone, using the well-known technology of the Israeli company Cellebrite."

This article is a GrapheneOS advert in disguise.

[–] somtwo@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago (13 children)

As I prepare to watch the US slip into authoritarianism it pains me to see that, in some ways, the UK is already there.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] x00z@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Nowadays you have a duress password on Graphene. So you just claim "i forgot it" and then sadly sob out the duress password when they throw a fit.

[–] couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I've always wanted to be able to have different pin logins on android. Log in 1 is all my shit, log in 2 is a dummy login with shit to show authorities. Log in 3 could be my porn log in.

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[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Works if you're Dick Cheney or Eric Adams

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So only if you're a member of the plutocratic dictatorship?

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 4 days ago (17 children)

It’s cool how some zionist piece of shit downvotes people who take his side. But pieces of shit exist, so oh well.

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[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I don't know man, I'm not sure I trust that scarf.

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