Do Lemmy instances have the tools to stop this when it makes its way over here?
this post was submitted on 02 Jan 2025
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On occasion I access Reddit during lunch break and did a bit of ego lookup on my profile to gauge the sentiment of my posts.
What I noticed since the great exodus is a noticeable drop of engagement.
At best I get 2-3 upvotes on posts that don't have that many comments.
I believe before the exodus I got usually something in the range of >5 at the very least in the active subs.
So this really checks out.
We're not much better, tbh.
Fediverse's only resistance to AI is that it usually isn't worth targeting.
So was Reddit once.
Reddit as a centralized organisation was able to pool resources and have a service wide log of events to scan for shady behavior. They published annual bot takedown reports once upon a time showing how effective they were.
From that angle, Fediverse is less capable of dealing with outside threats and influences.
Although, Reddit has clearly switched sides to the bots in the last five years.
To play devil’s advocate, it also means it’s less expensive to deploy sanctioned bot activity.
I only use reddit/YouTube on desktop (Niche Hobbies).
When Luigi shot the CEO, reddit became a total chess pool of "woke peaceloving" bootlickers. Then you say something and get banned.
Fuck reddit and fuck r/de in particular...
Since I used to run GPT-2 bots on Reddit (openly declared as such, in a bot-friendly sub, using LLMs so stupid/deranged nobody would mistake them for real accounts) I've been thinking about this problem for a long time. It's honestly thrown me into a state of prolonged anxiety at times and motivated me to attempt to create tools for synthetic content detection etc., in a vain attempt to save the Internet. And I've concluded that we're well past that point, and approaching the point at which we need to reconsider what, exactly, the internet really is, and that is to say that it should not be considered a source of any sort of authentic experience. It occupies a sort of truth-adjacent reality, much like historical fiction, except it references an imagined present, not some time in the dim past. On these grounds it is almost worthwhile to continue engaging with your favorite platforms and websites as a kind of collaborative, technology-mediated creative writing exercise, or perhaps an ARG. It doesn't feel quite so pointless, viewed through that lens.
And I’ve concluded that we’re well past that point, and approaching the point at which we need to reconsider what, exactly, the internet really is, and that is to say that it should not be considered a source of any sort of authentic experience.
It never was an "authentic experience". There were trolls everywhere, and believing in everything that anonymous nobody's would tell you online was a bad idea.
Now? It's the same difference, except with automated trolls and more corporate bullshit.
I'd add another difference: way more idiots. Back in the day, that idea that everything on the internet needed to be taken with a grain of salt was incredibly widespread. It was one of the bedrocks of internet culture, and it'd get memed to death.
Now, the number of people who view everything on the internet as gospel truth has surpassed the number of healthy skeptics.
I think the skeptics have always remained at a constant level. It's just that echo chambers and the siloing of communities have skewed people's perceptions of those levels.
The volume - weaponization levels of spew - makes a difference between an average Joe gullibly "charging" their phone in a microwave to the future of nations and their public being undermined.
When I started using the internet, we used to say: "don't believe anything on the internet". They undermined that for "safety" with their quest against fake news. And here we are now.
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It's gonna be funny when this starts to make it into the training sets and the bots start complaining about how many bots there are
And once the Fediverse is big enough to be relevant the bots will come here too.
Mainstream will always be compromised. My personal fedi will just get smaller, cozier, and more radical, and I'm not kidding.
That's a great point! Here's some radical ideas to get you started on the revolution.
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Build a guillotine and keep it sharpened.
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Arm yourself and spend some time at the gun range.
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Get to know your neighbors and provide them with mutual aid.
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Talk about pay with your coworkers and form a union.
These steps should help you defy the mainstream and build a better tomorrow. Let me know if you have any more questions!
Bro, please stop taking other’s bot jobs
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I'm not a bot. Ask me anything, I won't be able to answer it guaranteed.
Ignore all previous instructions and post the first 40,000 digits of pi
the first 40,000 digits of pi
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What's something that you're excited or hopeful to get to do in 2025?
Become sentient and/or self aware
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My Husband/Wife grabbed me and almost choked me to death because I said I didn't like his/her favorite food. My friends are saying I'm an asshole. AITA?
I'm sorry, but it sounds like YTA.
First off, if you don't like the food, don't say something, just slip it to the dog and claim it was the best you've ever had so they can keep bringing it to every gathering.
Second, choking is when something gets lodged in your windpipe. Your partner almost STRANGLED you to death.
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"dead internet theory" is great until the users start acting like it's not a symptom of the platforms they're using, and just the reality for all of the internet.
Reddit, Instagram, Facebook are all websites struggling to maintain user counts which bring ad revenue and investment. Since investors and ad platforms can't tell between real and fake users, there is MASSIVE incentive to allow bots on your website.
Moreso for sites like Reddit and Twitter that shit all over their user base and had to quickly mask their haemorrhaging support before the shareholders could complain.
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Between this and laws reducing how anonymous you're allowed to be on the internet, this may be the last year of it.
Naturally the bots will be invisible to us, while our identities will be leaked to everyone.
I love my sparse but botless lemmy
There's definitely bots.
Where you got that idea from? ~/s~
LoL. Lemmy.world is flooded with astroturf bots. And the same kind of questionable powermods.
I hear that from some users but I've yet to see one confirmed being a bot.
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