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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.


Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.


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[–] buwho@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
[–] wabooti@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

damn I didnt know that fishmahboi had a masto account

[–] ZoeyBear@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is incredibly pessimistic and doesn’t account for any ingenuity we as humans possess. Are we going to have a good time probably not but to assume we are all screwed is incredibly nihilistic.

[–] Chinzon@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

We've had over 100 years of scientific publications since the climate disaster was first identified and instead of using our knowledge to mitigate our environmental effects, we used technology instead to more effectively drain resources. If the covid pandemic (an arguably singular problem) is any indication, we are utterly incapable of coordinating any collective societal changes, even if it pertains to our very survival. It is preposterous to even humor the idea that after more than a century of ignoring the problem we will suddenly uproot the basis of our creature comforts (and the only way the last several generations have lived) in order to tackle something the average person cannot even tangibly understand.

[–] RealAccountNameHere@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Check out this article. As the author points out, "some technology that is completely unknown right now will save us!" is magical thinking. A quote:

We could call the implausible amounts of disappearing carbon in the models a kind of “carbon rapture,” magicking the pollutant away by mysterious means. It’s easy to see how those eager to believe we can be saved from climate change’s effects without much effort would want to believe in the coming carbon rapture. But the dubiousness of this joyful “tech-will-save-us” assumption is getting harder to hide.

[–] ZoeyBear@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn’t say it would save us from the carbon we already have ways to farm massive quantities in doors, using artificial greenhouses. Not a lot are built but they do exists, there are alternatives that are completely ignored in favor of doom and gloom. I agree carbon wise we are screwed from stopping the climate changes happening, but we definitely can and will adapt.

[–] RealAccountNameHere@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fair enough. I think you and I probably agree except for one thing—I believe more in the greediness of humans than our ingenuity. Which probably makes me a nihilist, I dunno. :)

[–] ZoeyBear@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

My personal experience is colored here but I am alive today because of human ingenuity and selflessness, I have to believe in it .