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[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 212 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I'll keep using Firefox and be extremely vocal about websites that won't support it. I mean that's all I can really do.

[–] Wootz@lemmy.world 134 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And hope the EU will oppose it.

[–] Niello@kbin.social 125 points 1 year ago (4 children)

EU really is the one doing all the good work. Meanwhile, the US government is useless as a government for its size.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

corporate-owned america, baby!

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Why aren’t the vaccuous, corporate whore sociopaths defending our freedoms!?!

[–] dandroid@dandroid.app 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe if our politicians weren't fucking 80 years old and actually understood technology even a little bit.

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[–] wagesof@links.wageoffsite.com 44 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I expect we'll lose about 90% of the web within five years as this becomes normalized.

It will primarily be the seo driven AI crap driven ripoff regurgitated shitfest that's arisen in the last 5 years tho.

I'll be waiting for a search engine to arise that only shows user controllable presentation and will use that.

A way to filter out the corporate trash will make the human web better, not worse.

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[–] narwhal@lemmy.ml 132 points 1 year ago (37 children)
[–] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 1 year ago

Be Evil, Do Ads

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[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 129 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

It may be the last few years of the free web because of Google. Their goals are clear.

Please switch to Firefox, another search engine and another email provider...

[–] tesseract@programming.dev 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

I've long been trying to de-googlify myself, but it's certainly ramped up this year.

Been trying out Kagi and just set up proton mail account. Not sure what I'll land on in the end but it's nice trying out newer services.

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[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 100 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There's a "we told you this would happen" going on here.

If chromium didn't have a monopoly amongst browsers, they would have a much harder time pushing this through.

Imagine everyone using a browser built by an advertising company.

[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

That's not even the biggest level of "we told you this would happen."

They pulled this shit previously with other standards (WebHID). Where they proposed a terrible standard, and then implemented it ignoring all feedback. Only last time it played out over months, and this time... weeks?

Sweet jesus.

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[–] IcySyndicate@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this is the consequence of browser vendors relying on Chromium.

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[–] anyone_yun@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 year ago

Fuck you Google.

[–] appel@whiskers.bim.boats 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ohnonono Well time to burn down google I guess ¯\(ツ)

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

this is a userbase killer right here

[–] bad3r@lemmy.one 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If manifest 3 didn't change egoogke chrome share I doubt this will.

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[–] happyfunball@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

The Internet in the last five or so years has just been less fun and interesting to use in general. Except for anywhere I can interact with friends, I just don't really care for using corporate social media sites anymore. I've pretty much removed Google from my life except for YouTube and rarely Google Maps, and if Google tries to use this to force ads into YouTube (which I'm sure is going to be one of its uses) then I will just stop using YouTube. I will just stop patronizing any site or business that tries to implement this as a feature to stop my browser choice, OS choice, or my extension choice (which included adblock extensions). I miss the days when the Internet was less corporately controlled than it is now, and I think we need a renaissance of those days.

[–] moonmeow@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 year ago (18 children)

hey everyone a friendly reminder that alternatives exist, and just drop this shit fast and move to better alternatives. In this case firefox.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The problems start to happen when buisnesses adopt this en masse. Expect all banks to implement this for example. You can use Firefox all you want, but then you won't be able to do online banking.

Standards are really fucking important to help people stay functional in a society. This is one area that the ANCAP mindset just gets it totally wrong, unless you like the idea of being a hermit.

Anyway, we are already seeing some websites basically reject browsers like Firefox because they basically give the consumer too much protection and freedom. Arguably we've seen this before, but this may be a new tier of corporate lockout of open standards as consumer protection gets thrown in the trash. Thanks America.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

This needs to be pinned at the top of every single threat about this. Far too many people are just saying "Well I'll just keep using Firefox". They do not understand the gravity of the issue.

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[–] Fpsfrank85@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Could there be lawsuits over this?

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If there will be, google is powerful than most governments. They know there will be some lawsuit and they are prepared for it. Its just cost of doing business.

[–] STUPIDVIPGUY@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google isn't more powerful than any governments it's just the USA that allows them to have power.

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As an aside, I know we're not supposed to care about Reddit, but the lack of this news getting any attention over there is just depressing. Hell the Firefox sub hasn't had any posts in days apparently.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 42 points 1 year ago

People that care about this stuff are probably already jumped ship.

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 23 points 1 year ago

That's because the firefox sub moved to Lemmy...

[–] Repossess6855@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feels so good to see Google getting called out for this in the GitHub comments

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[–] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 25 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Wow they moved incredibly fast, even considering the repository was first committed to in April 2023. I wonder why the outrage only started a few days ago? There was also a discussion, started in May.

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[–] Rivers@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chrome is a bag of shit anyway, easy jump

[–] venoft@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Chromium, not chrome. Which means also Brave, Edge, Opera, Vivaldi and a lot more. Basically only Firefox and Safari are left as the big non-chromium ones.

But that's not the worst of it. Even if you tear out this code, more and more websites will be built that rely on it. Which means Firefox etc also need to include it to keep functioning.

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[–] appel@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Regulate Big Tech and be done with it.

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[–] Lem0n@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Pardon my ignorance but Can someone explain what google is trying to do?

[–] mainframegremlin@programming.dev 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pardon formatting, on mobile. Its a form of device authentication. Apple does this with safari already BTW, and it can reduce things like captcha because the authentication is done on the backend when a request hits a server. While still an issue in concept with Apple doing it, chromium browsers are a much larger market share. In layman's terms this is basically the company saying, hey you are attempting to visit this site, we need to verify the device (or browser, or add on configuration, or no ad blocker, etc) is 'authentic'. Which of course is nebulous. It can be whatever the entity in charge of attestation wants it to be.

This sets the precedent that whomever is controlling verification, can deny whomever they see fit. I'm running GrapheneOS on my phone currently, they could deny for that. Or, if you are blocking ads. Maybe you're not sharing specific information about your device, and they want to harvest that. Too bad, comply or you're 'not allowed to do x or y'.

This is the gist. The web should be able to be accessed by anybody. It isn't for companies to own nor should it be built that way. Web2 is a corporate hellscape.

Edit wrt Safari: https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I suspect "authentic" will mean "pays a license fee to Google." In this respect it will work like other forms of DRM, and it will have the same effect of excluding new and smaller players from the market. Except in this case the market is the whole of the web.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago
[–] jeebus@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Fuck this is trash. DRM for the web. I wish people would understand websites like kbin are not free and that if you use a website you need to pay to keep it alive. But no one wants to pay for anything on the internet, and so we have ads. Ads will for sure kill the internet.

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