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[–] ewe@lemmy.world 164 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

Every time I see these I see these climate change related issues (which is now multiple times a day), I get the same sinking feeling in my stomach like I'm behind on work and don't have enough time to do it and I'll soon be in trouble for letting things get too far behind. That feeling keeps me up, causes me stress, and is generally not a comfortable way to live. This just fucking sucks.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hate to say it, but I keep avoiding articles about climate change for this reason. I can't do it every time, obviously, but it just gives me such stress. We're all so powerless while corporations destroy our planet.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Have you tried separating your recycling out? It'll help offset the cruise ships that each put out around 250,000 cars worth of straight up pollution a year, without factoring in other impacts.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I make sure to not litter.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 14 points 1 year ago

Well thank fuck for that... I was worried for a moment there.

[–] vaultdweler13@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And thats just the cruise ships imagine how much cargo ships output, admitedly cargo ships actually serve a purpose. Cruise ships are idols to our decadence and hubris.

I dream of bloody knives and car bombs.

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[–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

I largely tuned out of climate change news a long time ago. I still care about it. I vote for it and have donated relatively large amounts of money to environmental charities. But otherwise nothing I do makes a difference.

[–] gosling@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Don't be too harsh on yourself, big corporations are the main cause of climate change. Unless we all collectively decide to give these companies a wake up call, I'm afraid there's very little you can do alone

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[–] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

And the worst part is, average citizens like yourself aren't a massive burden on the environment. It's people like Elon Musk flying personal jets across the world for dinner, who are actively contributing to the death of the planet.

[–] golamas1999@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The jets are bad but what is worse are the handle full of billionaires and csuite execs who have the money and power to decide company policies and bribe politicians and governments: lobbying, independent expenditures, gala dinners, super pacs, incentives, revolving doors, private fundraising, paid speeches; to look the other way so they can pollute however much they want.

Nothing is Ethical under Capitalism.

Social Democracy is better but still exports the suffering to the global south.

Workers of the world must unite to over come the absolute insanity of the capital class.

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[–] Monkeyhog@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really? The feeling I get when I read articles like this is a resigned feeling of "No shit, we've only been hearing warnings of this for the past 30 years. People are fucking stupid"

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[–] Djeikup@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

38,4°C for non americans.

[–] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 year ago

Nah, I prefer the title without units. It allows me to imagine the oceans boiling, which would just cement Florida as being literal hell.

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[–] Surp@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Are we all gonna die soon? Serious question

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We? No. We'll just be uncomfortable. Our kids? They're going to slowly cook to death as they're running out of food/water/oxygen. Or, y'know, get blown up in one of the wars fighting over scraps of food/water/oxygen.

But look on the bright side: we're on track to beat last fiscal year's profit margin! If we do that, we'll get a free company branded pencil and one ticket to use some leave-without-pay at you manager's discretion -- and the regional manager gets another vacation home!!

[–] schroedingershat@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Mass famines and heat that kills without AC coming summer of 2024 or 2025. Won't kill the global north too much yet, but it will be one of the biggest deadly events in history for the rest of the world.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Military journalist Gwyn Dyer reported on this almost 2 decades ago.

The global militaries have been planning for this for years. You see those ships with refugees from northern Africa? That volume is going to ramp up plus Mediterranean countries are going to exodus north to the Nordic states and immigration is going to lock the fuck down. People are going to die by the millions. Maybe not in 2 years but this is our future.

On the plus side, and I am fucking saying this sarcastically, at least it's the "right people" dying which is to say those not white and those not rich.

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People are already dying to the effects. We know climate change can cause more and higher intensity hurricanes, more droughts, fires, famines, wilder weather swings, floods, and wars and refugee crises, etc. We know these things are increasing and we know people are already dying to them now.

So while you can't pin any individual disaster to climate change, we already know it's causing deaths.

As for if we're all going to die? Probably not all of us, so if you're lucky and don't mind you or your kids living in a Mad Max world, you can relax a little.

[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No. We have a long ways away before the human population will be wiped out due to climate change. Most likely around 100 or so years. The issue is what happens before then. Increasing temperatures will mean less water for crops creating food crisis. It will mean rising water level which means people living in low coastal cities will have to move. There is going to be mass migration which people do not like (Conservative fearmongering and look at how the homeless are treated). The food shortages and migration will cause unprecedented poverty. Poverty is correlated to crime so there is going to be an uptick of it. If we don't cut our carbon emission by 2030, we are going to see water wars and food wars by 2050.

What do these food and water wars mean? It can mean a lot. The rich will most likely be fine and continue with their yachts and private jets which are the biggest contributors carbon emissions. There will be more and more wars breaking out and even 1st world countries will be affected. This can lead to use of nuclear weapons which will continue to cut the human population and make things less inhabitable. Over time the human population will be cut and climate change acceleration will most likely slow down but not fully stop. There's also a feedback loop to the planet heating up. As polar ice caps melt and the planet heats up, it may naturally continue on its own until it equalizes. It can go up to like 10 degrees which, well, I hope i am not on the planet at that time.

Not everything is hopeless. We have a lot of bright scientists and we are in an era of unprecedented wealth. I do believe when it comes down to it, the world will unite and we will be able to mitigate enough of it and create solutions. Mass solar panels is a good one. Building nuclear reactors for the future use is another. Some solutions have been suggested like turning the sky white and other stuff. Public transit is another thing picking up and will greatly reduce carbon emissions. Just remember, a majority of the pollution comes from the use of private jets, yachts, and cruise ships. People will get hungry. There is one group of people who are at fault and I think the French found the solution to it.

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[–] Arsenal4ever@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Oil and gas companies are awesome at branding. We need to be better. We should name the heatwaves after oil companies.

We should also name the hurricane season. So the Exxon Mobile Heatwave, and the British Petroleum Hurricane Season. The Suncor Forest Fires.

etc.

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[–] A_A@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Beware of the upcoming hurricane season.

[–] vinylshrapnel@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Overtemp gulf is going to create some monster storms.

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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago

At least the ocean will be nice and warm when it floods their houses

[–] fearout@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Holy crap. So coral bleaching in that area is basically guaranteed at this point. And some plankton and algae can’t really survive if those temperatures persist.

Also, as temperature rises, water holds less and less dissolved oxygen. At the same time metabolic rates of fish increase, which makes them require even more oxygen. The scary thing about that is at some point they lose the ability to get enough oxygen to sustain life, and then bam — the whole species dies in a day.

Remember those rivers of millions of dead fish? Yeah, it’s like that.

[–] Uli@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

All of these things are bad, but the effect on phytoplankton is most frightening of all. Diatoms provide 50-85% of our global oxygen supply. Not only are rising temperatures a problem for them, but ocean acidification also eats away at their silica-based shells. But it does it slowly so by the time they die, they are in deep water where no other diatoms are around to reuse the silica.

Luckily, there are other ways of recycling diatom remains. The most notable example is the dried lake bed that used to be part of Lake Chad when that lake was far bigger and held many living diatoms. Due to natural changes in climate, the water dried up and that area is now part of the Sahara Desert. About 100 days a year, winds kick the ancient diatom dust high into the atmosphere where it is carried across the Atlantic Ocean and then it settles across South America.

This is a big reason the Amazon Rainforest is so lush. Diatomaceous fertilizer carried all the way from Africa. And since more plants means more photosynthesis, it causes a lot of water that would have otherwise been locked away in the ground to evaporate through transpiration. All of this excess water is blown westward towards the Andes mountain range. In narrower parts of the Andes, the dense Amazonian clouds overcome the rain shadow effect to precipitate across the west side of the Andes.

This rainwater causes erosion of quartz, which is ground into fine silica dust. As silt, this dust is washed into the Pacific Ocean, where diatoms absorb the silica and use it to reproduce. In a beautiful global balancing act, as diatom-heavy lakes in Africa dry up, the remains of those diatoms cause a chain reaction that ends up causing a huge increase of diatoms on the opposite side of the globe.

Great, right? It would be if we weren't replacing so much of the Amazon Rainforest with monoculture farms which don't have nearly the same evapotranspiration effect as the flora of the natural ecosystem. So, not only are we baking the diatoms, not only are we dissolving them with acid, we're also removing one of their most critical reproductive resources.

It's like we discovered how resilient the planet is and how hard it is to kill, and humans took that as a challenge.

Enjoy the oxygen while it's plentiful.

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[–] such_fifty_bucks@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago

Or the 2000 dead penguins washing up on the coast of Uruguay just a few days ago. Apparently starved to death, though the cause is still being investigated.

But yeah the phytoplankton and algae boiling to death is triggering a catastrophic change in the ocean that is going to domino in horrible ways and I feel like I don't often see a lot of people mentioning it. It's very scary how the collapse of aquatic ecosystems is playing out.

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[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I assume that's 100° Freedom rather than 100° Civilised?

[–] doitlive@reddthat.com 22 points 1 year ago

Nope, ocean is boiling.

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[–] ProximaC@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We already passed the tipping point when the permafrost started melting and exploding. It's going to be an awful ride.

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[–] ItsDedo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Americans reading this: * kalm *

Europeans reading this: * panik *

[–] Johem@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You know what would really help? Not showing a nice happy vacation beach image with that headline. How about some dead fish, people sweating while doing manual laboue or bleached corals? For fucks sake.

(I know NBC doesn't read Lemmy, just frustrated)

[–] TheMusicalFruit@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Just a reminder that warm waters in the Gulf of Mexico and Southern Atlantic = hurricane fuel. We are lucky El Niño is causing some wind shear in the upper atmosphere to break up the storms… so far. I recommend looking it up if you’re interested. Hurricane season has the potential to be devastating this year if the El Niño cycle weakens.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago
[–] transmatrix@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Fuck this is scary. Wish some extreme actions were being taken for this extreme situation.

[–] salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 16 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This is Fahrenheit, right? So ~38.3º Celsius.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If it was Celsius the sea would be boiling.

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[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Warmer waters means stronger storms.

Florida is going to go through some things.

[–] Blastoid5000@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why insurance companies are dropping out of the State, and yet I'd wager a good chunk of the population deny climate change exist.

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[–] o0joshua0o@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe it. I'm not even in Florida (thank God), but my pool temp is 95F today. It's literally too hot to swim.

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