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Donald Trump criticized President Biden’s decision to commute the sentences of 37 federal death row inmates, calling them “violent criminals” and wishing them to go to hell.

Trump also took the opportunity to sarcastically wish a “Merry Christmas” to Chinese troops in the Panama Canal and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Trump’s post also included references to his previous attempts to purchase Greenland and his suggestion that Wayne Gretzky run for Canadian Prime Minister.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 16 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

He's got some real skill at expressing inarticulate, impotent rage.

And if there were a Hell, Trump would be headed for the least pleasant precinct in it.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

I'm pretty sure his hell would be serving in a soup kitchen for thousands of years. Volunteering.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

He's already there, and we're living in it with him. This is the bad place.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah but I actually think he is one of the Demon actors

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 7 points 21 hours ago

Trump is sad that he only gets execute one of the remaining three. The other two (Dylan Roof and Robert Bowers) are destined for bigger things in the Trump cabinet.

but he was the first "president" to march in the "pro life" rally 🙄

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 106 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why do we have to hang on every word this fucking arsehole says? He's an utter cretin.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Four years.

Four goddamn years I had to wake up every day and pay attention to what asinine shit the President of the United States tweeted.

Because, unfortunately, that utter cretin had the nuclear button.

And now we have to endure another four years of the same.

Shit, for all the bad things you can say about Biden, you can at least say that whenever you heard a story start with "Today, the president said..." in the news, you weren't immediately going "ah fuck here we go". Four years I dealt with that kind of reflexive dread.

God, I wish I could just slip into a coma until 2029.

Honestly, if we get out of this one without some sort of nuclear exchange, I’m going to be mildly shocked. Remember: this is the guy who had to be talked down from nuking a fucking hurricane, and apparently it took a while to convince him it wasn’t the sharpest idea.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 57 points 1 day ago

Well the media invested a lot of time and effort to get him elected and now they want to cash in on all that hard work.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Personally I'd like to keep up with the Canada comments considering he's threatening to annex our fucking country. Americans, fix your country

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He sure does talk a lot of shit about death penalty for someone who allegedly committed high treason, punishable by death.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

Before I clicked this link, I already had visions of that kid with tears in his eyes as they put him in the electric chair... and hoped that it wasn't the same one.

I'm surprised to learn he's 14, he looks 9!

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

Not to mention that no other OECD country except for Japan still has it.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I have two reasons why I'm against it.

  1. Innocent people will get sentenced. There's no way around that. Sententing an innocent person to death is among the greatest injustices I can think of so I'll rather have someone guilty walk free. Granted that sentencing an innocent person to life in prison aint that much better but this is where the second reason comes in.

  2. I don't believe in free will. Punishing someone for something they did is not compatible with the way I see the word*. It's like punishing a grizzly bear for attacking a person. If you're danger to society you should be locked up one way or another but not as a punishment but to keep others safe. I think that even if you're a murderer you should be treated well and we should figure out a way for them to live relatively normal lives behind the bars. They can't help themselves. They didn't choose to be born that way and thus shouldn't be punished as if they could have acted otherwise.

* Risk of consequences still works as a deterrence and that "punishment" be it fine or jail time should still be carried out because otherwise it loses its credibility.

[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

In extreme cases sure, tho I feel the need to point out the context of the vats majority of criminals being conditioned into crime by their surrounding. Poverty and discrimination come to mind among others. I my opinion the best way to prevent anything is to hit it at its source, in this case making every day life more livable. Not only does that mean life must be comfortably affordable, but mental health should also be a top priority.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with any of that nor do I feel like it goes against anything I just said.

[–] LANIK2000@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Quite so, just felt it was an important caveat to add.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

Doesn't point 2 kind of justify execution too? We're not chosing to execute that action it was pre-determined that we would execute that person from the moment the universe began.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 21 hours ago

I feel like you're considering death penalty to be the default, but if the same logic is applied while considering lifetime in prison as the default, the result would be the opposite.

And considering that death of age looks to me more natural, I'm inclined to think no death penalty should be the default

[–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

Just because it happened doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake that we can learn from. In that regard, it was not justified.

Now if you are talking about taking the same action in a parallel universe, then that definitely depends on the perspective you're modelling.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Punishment is a behaviorist intervention. It doesn’t rely on the concept of free will. In fact, it depends on the lack of free will to make any sense at all. If there were free will, people would be able to change without punishment.

But killing someone isn’t a punishment. It’s a deterrent. It’s not designed to change behavior. It’s designed to end it.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 2 points 23 hours ago

Carrying out a punishment doesn't make much sense as the person couldn't have done otherwise but not carrying it out sends the signal to others that actions don't have consequences and thus the deterrence stops working. That's why we have to "punish" people for breaking the law. Not because it makes a difference to that specific individual but it sends a signal to others.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t believe in free will. Punishing someone for something they did is not compatible with the way I see the word*.

Let me guess, part of the Sam Harris cult?

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That's a bit loaded question but yes.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

No it's not. He is a confidence man repackaging a New Age interpretation of Buddhism into Atheist friendly language

His core belief, that freewill doesn't exist is predicated upon a very generous re-interpretation of the Libet study, a study often refuted by Benjamin Libet himself who noted that what many ignore about his experiment is the existence of what he called "Free Won't"

In which subjects showed that although the readiness potential existed, it was still possible for them to change their mind and not press the button regardless of how much readiness potential was present.

Other studies on the subject have lead to radically different results.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/

tl;dr for this article

They did another study that suggests meaningless decisions have readiness potiential. Such as idly scratching an itch or deciding what leg you're going to start walking on. However readiness potential is NOT detected at all if the decision has actual weight behind it.

As tested with a study where people were asked to push a button on the left or right to determine which of two charities would get a thousand dollar donation. Readiness potential was only detected in the control group, which was told to push a button to decide which charity they personally liked better with the 1000 dollar donation being split evenly between them.

Meaning that if a decision requires any thought behind it at all, it was consciously made by a free agent.

At best Libet's work shows that we have a subconscious mind, which is not going to be a revelation to anyone with a 2nd Grader's understanding of Psychology.

Sorry my friend, I'm afraid you exist, your choices matter, and Sam Harris is a hack who unironically suggested a pre-emptive nuclear strike on Arabic Communities under the premise that belief in Allah was an incurable mental illness that can only lead to mass genocide and a thirst for white blood.

Basically there's not much difference between Sam Harris and the Spirit Science guy outside of what team they play for.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

So it was a loaded question.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Reminder that about 1 in 25 people on death row are estimated to be innocent.

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

Reminder trumps been found very very guilty.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

In the great Christmas spirit.

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

"You first."

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He should do that himself, he would be right at home.

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