Good, I hope she doesn't let then ruin it
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The only type of Bond show I'd be in favor of is a TV series that faithfully recreates the Bond novels in their respective era (1950s-'60s). I would love to see the books remade as a period drama series. Hour-long episodes for each book, maybe multiple episodes if the story was really detailed.
That would be an amazing series, and a unique take, as film Bond is nothing like book Bond. Except for the Daniel Craig era. That's about as close to book Bond as we've ever had. That, and Timothy Dalton's License to Kill film. Book Bond was a very dark and gritty character.
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Amazon Bond or no new Bond at all?
I'm good with how the franchise ended in the last movie.
I stopped after the first Daniel Craig.
Nothing against him, he's a great actor. Just didn't like the direction of the franchise.
The 70's Roger Moore stuff was campy (which wasn't the best, but you knew that going in) but at least that had it's antecedent with Roger Moore playing The Saint in the 1960's.
It's been around for so long that it affects different generations. I prefer the Daniel Craig ones over the others just because that's what was entertaining to me at the time even though I've watched some of the older ones.
Absolutely, and it reflects the audience it's targeting.
Which is why Roger Moore's is clearly if it's time (which even then I thought was pretty bad, but it was entertaining).
I just don't find melodrama to be entertaining, and the new Bond is all melodrama. Just like some old movies I don't watch because the melodramatic score cheapens the actual drama.
This is a problem with a lot of movie and TV today, this hand-holding of the audience. It's patronizing, and boring.
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That name sounds made up.
More power to her though, fuck Amazon.
All of the Bond films were produced by someone named Brocolli.
Albert R. Broccoli was the original co-producer of the Bond franchise (along with Harry Saltzman). Barbara Broccoli is his daughter, who helped him with production through the '80s and took over the franchise starting with GoldenEye in '95.
She's responsible for the more modern era of Bond that started with Pierce Brosnan, and also the rebooted era with Daniel Craig. She specifically rebooted the franchise because of Austin Powers, which satirized the Bond films and basically turned their tropes into a joke. She had to reinvent Bond so people would stop comparing her films to Austin Powers.
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God I’m so tired of Marvel.
I know people like it, and that’s okay, but every action movie is now Guardians of the Galaxy. The earlier marvel movies are fun too, but by Ironman 2/3 there was so much product placement and it all felt very stale and sterile.
I defended the Marvel offerings post Endgame longer than I should have, there’s some good stuff in there like No Way Home and Shang-Chi but it’s reeked of producers trying to rush the build it took to make the final two Avengers films so anticipated and fun. Even if you hate all of those films and think they are bland you have to admit there was something exciting about the long form storytelling they were doing and the experience of seeing those in the theater was a cool shared experience with so many people around the world. I hope they can recapture that lightening with the Russos coming back but somehow I doubt it
Long way to say, I love the MCU and still agree that’s the last thing Bond, LoTR, Star Trek, fuck name an IP and it shouldn’t be trying to Marvel itself. Let Marvel be Marvel
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Can't stand those films. I like the Raimi Spider-man films and the first Iron Man. That's it. All the other Marvel films are repetitive and boring. I stopped watching them around Iron Man 2/3 as well.
Same goes for Star Wars. Rogue One was good. Stopped caring about the franchise after episode VIII (which I actually enjoyed). There are too many shows and spinoffs now and I got burnt out. Never thought I'd see the day when I'd stop being a Star Wars fan but I literally can not stand any of the shows. They're all boring.
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They tried to milk it too much. The initial MCU was good. Phase 1/2. Now it's just exhausting. Too many characters, too many shows that either don't seem to be canon or are completely ignored by the films, too many characters to keep track of.
Marvel peaked with endgame. It's been downhill ever since
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Barbara Broccoli? Is this all a joke timeline?
What does Cara Cauliflower have to say?
Mind blowing bit of trivia - her ancestors did in fact "invent" broccoli, they made the hybrid and a fortune in the process.
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I bet they're not telling us the real reason. Bezo's mid-life crisis stepped in and he wanted to play Bond.
Honestly doubt it. Bezos' sex scandal involved cheating on his wife with a single age appropriate woman, whom he is currently in an exclusive relationship with.
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Bond should go into the vault and should only be taken out after a decade or two intermission. The Daniel Craig era is a nice capstone to pause the franchise on. IMHO while Casino Royale was a nice reimagining of Bond the last three movies have become too derivative. Let the franchise rest and only revive it when it’s for something fresh and worthwhile. Don’t just make Bond movies for the sake of continuing the franchise.
Yeah but money
I think also older audiences were more forgiving of the fuzzy, sometimes contradictory continuity between the older films. Somehow Pierce Brosnan and Sean Connery were the same guy and everyone just kind of rolled with that.
The future of Bond should tighten up continuity from here on out, because for better or worse I don't think modern audiences are as able to just fuzz away discrepancies.
My idea would be to pull from the "James Bond is a codename" fan theory- which currently doesn't work, but to say Daniel Craig is the original James Bond and all the Bonds after him take up the name as a code name. This can open up some possibilities and just make it easier to keep things straight. Old Bonds don't necessarily even have to die, they can retire or be moved out of the roll. You can bring them back as villains, or make one into the new Q or something.
Bond hasn't been good since they couldn't use the Soviets anymore as an enemy. Modern producers aren't willing to sacrifice Chinese money to make a real enemy.
Interesting that China is the only country that comes to your mind.
Why not the US? A clash between MI6 and the CIA would be cool!
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Daniel Craig's Casino Royale was so good because it did something new; it flipped the series on its head and that was a refreshing change of pace. Realistically gritty action thrillers have dominated the genre ever since. Diluting that with Marvel-esque writing or generic spin-offs would be such a letdown.
I'm not sure what I want next from the Bond franchise, but a Marvel influence is definitely not it.
Amazon reportedly in favour of “Marvel-style” ideas to expand the franchise, such as spinoff shows and films.
Its not like there are a shortage of spy-thrillers bouncing around. I don't see anything immediately wrong with an MI6 extended universe, particularly if it lets younger and more unorthodox talent have fun with the setting. FFS, "Agents of Shield" and the Netflix TV street-level-hero spin offs were functionally thrillers in their own right. A lot of them were very good.
But there's so much wrong going on under the hood of the industry. More and more talent sacrificed on the alter of AI generated content (the Rings of Power generative dialogue/screenwriting was a horrifying example of how to waste $700M in acting/set design). More focus on special effects and less on cohesive storytelling or direction.
Like, if you got the writers room from Slow Horses to do a spin-off franchise called "009", I would be fully on board. But if its just going to be the franchise eating its own tail with forty different poorly adapted variations on Casino Royale... yeah, I can understand why there would be drama.
As much as I think AI will make everything worse, I think it's just a symptom of the real problem in the industry.
I think it boils down to two things:
- Major studios are pure capitalists with no artistic interest, with newcomers like Apple and Amazon not even having a culture for authenticity in any part of their operation
- Marvel made too much money
So what they've learned is that there's no point in making movies - if they want to make money they need to make a franchise. So they keep investing in anything they can possibly milk into a soulless franchise that sucks in consumers and leaves them hooked.
There's no room for artistic authenticity in this process. It will produce worthless garbage by design. It's consumerism turned into cinematography.
Thank god some are rebelling against it.
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I'm actually not that opposed to a Bond TV show, shorter Bond adventures with more of the older style bonds campy nature and gadgets sounds like a fun time.
Or maybe use the Young Bond book series as a basis, they were pretty fun reads.
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Next James Bond takes place around Amazon fulfillment centers around the world, and Alexa plays a key part in it. Bond is a black, young female agent this time because diversity (her father was Bond 009), and she has super powers from computer chips running in Amazon cloud.
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Welp… rest well for now, 007. To say it has been a great run is an understatement. Amazon will likely get bored of this toy eventually and perhaps it will end up in competent hands again and we can simply laugh at whatever trash is produced.
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