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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 173 points 1 year ago (7 children)

What does this save, like a milliwatt per year? One of the stupidest things I have ever seen.

[–] persolb@lemmy.ml 144 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sending the JavaScript to do this literally uses more electricity than this saves.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 56 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is classic. Corpos that are the biggest polluters are also the ones that push hardest on the idea of "carbon footprint"

The more they can convince people that climate change is their fault, the less likely people vote for a government that will regulate the corpos

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[–] elgordio@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

Plus all the energy used in developing the feature in the first place. What a crock.

[–] SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's only going to save power if you're using an oled, since for most lcd screens the backlight is on whether you display black or white.

All my websites are jet black, and the black is only really black on my phone which has an oled screen.

Either way, it's just greenwashing. These companies are only pretending to give a crap so they can get brownie points with people who can't see what they're doing.

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[–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Back in CRT days, the difference between full white and full black could be as much as 100W. Before dark mode existed, people developed sites like Blackle to reduce the power usage of Googling.

[–] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

Traditional LCD screens actually use more power to make black.

OLED screens might save a tiny bit of power though.

[–] TurtleLife@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

They can't do any good in the world. This is the best they have to offer.

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[–] Hazdaz@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

Greenwashing bullshit.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Contribute even more by closing the browser and not buying anything from this shithole of a company.

[–] orrk@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish it was that easy, but nestle has taken almost 80% of global middleman positions in the food market, they have become a pseudo monopoly in the food industry.

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] markr@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Everywhere you look end stage capitalism is enshittifying itself. The neolibs, having insisted that There Is No Alternative, are confronted with their system in full and manifest self destruction.

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This is the most pathetic attempt at greenwashing I have ever seen.

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[–] LuckyCharmsNSoyMilk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 1 year ago (7 children)

That reminds me, Lemmy needs a FuckNestle.

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[–] Piers@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can be sure that they are counting every hypothetical drop of energy saved this way and taking credit for it to their benefit somewhere.

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[–] HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

On LCD displays dark mode actually uses more electricity; the brightness is always there, and you need to power the liquid-crystal layer to block that light to result in darker colours.

This whole myth about darker screens saving energy goes way back to the old CRT days when it actually did save some energy.

Yall remember Blackle?

[–] Ultra980@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many phones have OLED displays, which physically turn off the pixels in black areas. Since the site is on mobile, it does make a bit of sense.

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But then most dark modes aren't pitch black. I guess it might save a bit of power by just being at a low brightness. Anyways I need my dark mode and also night mode.

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[–] Zephyr_0713@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

In case you are using an OLED screen or one of its variants, the difference is noticeable since they turn off the pixels that are black and, therefore, less electricity is consumed.

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[–] proflovski@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My screen is not amoled 🥲

[–] faintedheart@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you can compensate by giving them your ground water.

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[–] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Stupid because it makes zero difference for any screen that uses a backlight, which is most of them. And then they could just set dark mode as the default if it actually mattered, which it doesn't. You can be stupid, but to be really stupid takes a corpo like Nestle.

[–] shadeless@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

For oleds, it makes a difference and not an insignificant number of smartphones today use OLED screens.

However, if the microwatt-hour of battery saved by browsing a shitty website of a shitty company for a few minutes saves the planet is another story...

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Whatever gets saved will be burned up by their megabytes of JS running in the background collecting single point of data they possibly can

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[–] WhatASave@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What the fuck does that even mean lol. I didn't think dark mode even did that?

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It kinda does if your screen is OLED. The black pixels are actually turned off on OLED screens.

On other type of screens - like LCD - the backlight is always turned on

[–] Knusper@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Yep, but then we are talking about actually black backgrounds, which is normally a big no-no in UI design.

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[–] 99nights@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nestlé lives in dark mode.

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The vampires of the Nestlé board don't like being blinded by bright screens as they roam the night in search for the blood of the innocent.

[–] BloodSlut@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please don't compare nestle to vampires. Vampires still have a heart even if it's not beating.

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[–] break1146@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Apart from this being completely stupid. Why don't make dark mode the default mode?

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It should honestly just default to whatever the system is set to, because that's likely what the user prefers.

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[–] Knusper@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Contribute to a more sustainable experience by not buying shit from Nestlé.

🙂

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[–] Pinklink@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corporation destroying the Earth blames consumer. Classic.

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[–] caffinz@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Think of all the breastfeeding children we could save by making white screen black. SMH. Fuck Nestle

[–] bentropy@feddit.de 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder how many users have to switch to dark mode with how many screen time to compensate for any meaningful amount.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Edit: I tried updating this, when I submitted sh.itjust.works was down and I lost it… the edit that is. Anyway I have now updated some grammar and put in some more context AND a tl;dr at the bottom. All for the low low price of my hyper focus.

Alright, it’s math time.

A quick google comes up with this blog post, which I haven't vetted or even read at all, it just has a table with some stats https://dodonut.com/blog/does-dark-mode-save-battery/. I should probably also mention that I am going to use the most impressive savings in the following. Actual savings may be as little as a 4th.

Apparently going to dark mode with 100% brightness provide a net saving of 40% on a pixel 2. Let's assume this is universally true for all OLED and AMOLED displays, LCD users won't see a difference, neither will CRTs but .. I don't think that I've heard of a CRT display on a phone.

40%? That sounds like a lot, doesn't it?

Well yes and no, in relative terms it's impressive, but it really depends on absolute terms. So how much does a phone use? The pixel 2 from before comes with a 10.39Wh battery, let's assume an average use of 80% per day, then that comes out to 8.32Wh per day per phone. That means that the 40% reduction is 3.33Wh daily.

Is that a lot? Depends, if your only power source is a potato with a bit of copper and a galvanized nail, then yes, otherwise no.

Over the course of a year 3.33Wh a day comes to 1.215kWh.

Let's put that into some context. The largest Vestas offshore wind turbine is the 15MW V236 https://www.vestas.com/en/products/offshore/V236-15MW. It can produce 80GWh annually. With the saving of 1.215kWh per phone, then for every approx 66 million OLED phones, we can skip erecting one offshore wind turbine.

But let’s look at a global impact. As of yesterday there were 8.05 billion people breathing on the planet. Let’s say they all achieve the maximum saving of 1.215kWh annually. That’s 9.78TWh. Presently there’s a handful of projects planned with the V236, https://www.offshorewind.biz/2023/04/03/vestas-15-mw-prototype-now-at-full-throttle/, totalling 7.3 GW, 486.6 units (I’ve got the figures for each project and added them up, so the number of units is an approximation) or 38.9TWh annually. So get everyone to achieve maximum saving, with technology most doesn’t have, and we can save a quarter of the planned pre-order of a turbine model that isn’t even done with testing.

tl;dr: dark mode does save power, but at best its effect is miniscule, and realistically utterly insignificant.

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[–] Willer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is very strangely phrased. The "sustainable experience" to me suggests my personal experience like eye fatigue. But the "contribute" suggests ecological subjects. Whatever it may be it is ur average corporate paternalism nonetheless

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[–] randint@feddit.nl 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

what even is a "more sustainable experience"

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

dark theme › slower battery usage › charging less often › less electricity usage › less coal power plants › less emissions › solved global warming. It's simple really.

[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Only on OLED phones

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Technically not mildly infuriating! 🤬

[–] Snowman44@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Nestlé's ethics already went to dark mode.

[–] newIdentity@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

If dark mode is so good, why isn’t it the default?

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate this shit. Just make darkmode the default.

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