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[–] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 124 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm 110% on board with global warming, but this graph is misleading.

The author needs to at least correct for population changes (heat deaths per X residents). Even better would be to account for changing demographics, like age and county. From this random stats website, it looks like there has been a dramatic increase in proportion of older residents since 1970. Old people are more likely to die, so more elders = more deaths.

If I wasn't about to head to bed, I might try to fix it, but.... sleep.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure there has been an increase in small plane crashes in AZ. The hot air is much thinner than most pilots are used to, so they tend to forget accounting for changes in thrust and climb rates. I'm pretty sure a couple happened in just the last few weeks.

[–] rob64@startrek.website 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And whenever you have a chart of historical data like this, you have to at least consider that an increase could be reflective of either improved diagnostic or record-keeping abilities.

[–] dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If we stop testing we will have 0 cases!

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[–] oo1@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yeah, people lose so much credibility when they don't even control for simple easy things.

there will always be some confounding factors, but doing rate per population, is rarely hard - andneeded over decade comparisons.

demographic risk adjustment is more complex, so i'd not expect that. but if it is at least acknowledged, then the article is more credible and will get more (of my) attention.

media (and i guess their audience) seem to enjoy hype though . . .

oh shit this is the f.t. i used to think they were among the more credible journo's. pity.

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an analyst, this pissed me off. There's like an oath to never fudge, misrepresent, or be selective with data to manipulate the viewer. We collect raw data for the purest source of fact. It is a single source of truth.

Just a quick Google on one of the glaringly obvious misrepresentations in this graph, and AZ's population in 1970 was 1.77M; it is now 7.36M. Displaying this graph more truthfully would still highlight increased temperatures impacting increased rate of death to heat, but not at all dramatically, so the creator has misrepresented. Then there's a lot more to factor in for proper analysis. Healthcare rate with growth? Infrastructure for the same? Why just Arizona?

Climate change science has fact and figure on its side. There is not need to misrepresent it like deniers do. Doing so dilutes and damages the cause by denying the one thing it has, truth.

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[–] HunterBidensLapDog@infosec.pub 54 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If only we had some kind of warning?!? If only there was something we could do about it?!?

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I tried praying, don't look at me I did my part

[–] voidMainVoid@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I did both thoughts and prayers.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

But my end of the boat is perfectly dry!

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[–] pigup@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Maybe we should burn more fossil fuels about it

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Just shoot at it with all the guns.

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[–] LetMeEatCake@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Every time I see crazy heat data for Arizona and other places like it in the US, it makes me wonder. When the fuck will we see a reversion of population trends of people moving south? Arizona, Texas, etc. are only going to get worse. Everywhere is going to get worse, but there's a lot of rapidly growing areas that are on track to be non-viable for 1/3+ of the year within 10-20 years.

People should not be moving to Arizona, not with climate change as it is.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I live in the southwest and it’s definitely something I worry about. Every year it gets worse in our apartment during the summer. Our cooling bill is ridiculous for ~1/3rd of the year. The amount of heat transfer coming in through our single pane windows is insane. The walls barely seem insulated at all. On most hot days (95F/36C+) with the A/C blasting we can’t get it below 80F/26C inside.

Laws where I live require only minimum temperatures that must be met by residences, not maximums; almost nobody is freezing to death here (very rarely someone unhoused will), but people ARE dying of heat related illnesses. It makes me so angry, not only because it’s miserable to be hot all day and expensive to run the A/C as hard as we do, but because it’s so wasteful. The amount of electricity we have to use because our landlord is some bean counting, soulless corporation is sickening.

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[–] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Surely we can just pray for it to go away.

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  1. Build cities in the desert
  2. Heat up climate
  3. ??????
  4. Oh god what have I done
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[–] DrNeurohax@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago

Just thought I'd add this report from the AZ health department. This breaks down the factors MUCH better and comes to a similar, but not quite as extreme, conclusion. Only part is normalized for population, but it gives an idea of how to scale the numbers.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wake me up when it's guillotine day.

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[–] Sizably8826@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We can thank the boomers for that

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[–] Old_Fat_White_Guy@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

NGL... First glance at the chart I thought the left hand scale was temperature with a sudden spike to 250°.... no wonder people are dying when your iced tea boils in your glass as you try to drink it!

[–] dgilluly@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can always count on the right winged politicians and voters to prepare for disasters instead of trying to prevent them.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Climate change is just getting started and people should start suing cities and design firms for failing to include shade requirements in their standards and for making roads too wide to properly shade

Where natural shade can't be sustained artificial shade needs to be provided.

The single family house on a grass lawn is such a stupid idea in many places

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[–] johnnixon@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is there a source that doesn't require me log into Twitter?

[–] darkmatter@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] AngryBear@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ironically the oil companies back in the 60’s, did an extensive research into what exactly would happen to the climate and ecology etc, if they kept drilling for and using fossil fuel etc. It’s so accurate that even todays models aren’t that good (I find that fact odd), but bottomline, they knew.. they knew, but kept on doing it anyway.

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[–] Ni@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We desperately need regulation for people and workers in extreme temperatures. We'll be dealing with more and more of it as times goes on so the protections need to be in place.

[–] Skunk@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

And regulations for less pavement, concrete etc and more green and trees to provide shade and cooler temperatures.

You can live in extreme temperatures, provided the infrastructures are built for that (ie. Ouarzazate in Morocco).

But with the US urban planning and all for cars policy it won’t happen before it’s too late.

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[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Only another 100 years or so until maybe temperatures come back down.

Maybe.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're just going to let the homeless die in the streets, aren't they? 😑

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

They always were

[–] Chriszz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

We’re fucked bros

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