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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 120 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"we heavily biased the network against trains and now it's just saying the optimal car consists of several metal struts connecting just two thinned out wheels that the driver sits on top of and propels themselves using pedals. It was busy redesigning intersections to have clear safe lanes for these bi-cycle 'cars' with plenty of trees / room for pedestrians when we pulled the plug..."

[–] 257m@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Even in bike racing the optimal form ends being to become a train. A peloton is just a train made up of bikes.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And then imagine if instead of wheels a bicycle was on a track with even greater reduced rolling resistance than skinny overinflated tires and didn't require lumbar strength for balance.

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[–] riskable@programming.dev 108 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is just the AI bias showing through: It's all that training.

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nice pun, I think you railed it

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They were certainly on the right track

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

People who are biased against trains have a real loco motive.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 80 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

So what you're saying is the optimal form is some kind of crab train?

[–] rothaine@lemm.ee 64 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey there 👋, I know you mean well by that comment, like I get it, I do. ☺️ But I just wanted to let you know:

THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO STUDIES DONE ON THE SAFETY OF CRAB TRAINS.

ZERO.

But despite that, they are gaining widespread support, and now even people like yourself are calling them "optimal."

Listen: Someone I know lost an arm in the pincer mechanism of one of these trains. More work needs to be done before we can consider them safe, nevermind "optimal". Don't buy into the techbro BS.

Friends don't let friends crab train.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Hey, when the train needs blood the train gets blood

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Choo choo Charlie intensifies

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago

Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 57 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

the last time I gave factorio a serious run was waaaay back in its beta, before it was even finished and had an end game.

its just gotten so complicated since then that I get overwhelmed, especially when you start to scale up and realize you fucked something up and have to undo an entire day of shit to move something 2 tiles or something.

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[–] 7toed@midwest.social 8 points 3 weeks ago

ELEVATED RAILS my BELOVED ❤️

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 36 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] rivenb@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The children inside make it scary

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 weeks ago

Minimum rolling friction by having hard wheels on a hard surface. Minimum wind resistance by making it long and narrow. Minimum stop time by having big doors.

BAM: train.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Sharing because I was delighted to learn this: trees are also an example of convergent evolution. I'm personally rooting for us to become trees. Pun intended.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

That seems unfairly obvious, but I certainly didn't consider it before.

[–] Wofls@feddit.org 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Okay so now we are looking at some kind of tree-crab-train as the crown of creation, am I understanding this correctly?

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[–] 404@lemmy.zip 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I know it's a shitpost, but i hate that people interpret carcinisation as a crab being the ultimate piece of evolution.

When learning evolution like algorithms in computer science, one of the first things you learn is strategies to not get stuck in locally optimal solutions (solutions that seem the best when you look at other nearby solutions, but are worse than other solutions if you allow your algorithm to look further away).

Crabs seem like that, it's just an easy defensive evolution that then stagnates in a form that kind of works. Seeing how many crabs we eat, and how few crabs eat us, it's obvious that crabs aren't the actual pinnacle of evolution, just some locally optimal solution that evolution tends to get stuck in :p.

[–] Syd@lemm.ee 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I understand your point but some of history's most publicized and powerful figures have been consumed by crabs. Amelia Earhart and countless other well known examples through history show the crab threat is much more present and real than you imply.

[–] ilega_dh@feddit.nl 7 points 3 weeks ago

This is why I stopped shitposting, too many sweats

[–] doortodeath@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

We will see (or not) who has the last laugh, crabs or homo sapiens sapiens?

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 3 weeks ago

Like came back in a million years. Bet crabs are going to be still around while we'll already extinct.

[–] Syd@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago

It's gonna be homo sapiens unless crabs evolve laughter.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, the automotive industry has been working on making self driving a thing, and I recall when they first tried to tackle the problem of lane keeping.

The first proposal was to embed magnets or similar into the road surface that the car could have a set of sensors for to determine if it was drifting left or right in its lane.

Motherfucker, that's just a virtual track for your dumb four-wheeled mini-train.

It didn't catch on, but AFAIK it was implemented in small areas as a trial and it performed adequately given the technology of the time.

So I'm out here going, why the fuck are we pretending that vehicles are not just rail-free personal trains?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The first proposal was to embed magnets or similar into the road surface that the car could have a set of sensors for to determine if it was drifting left or right in its lane.

That's a thing for forklifts since what, a century? Even better, they use a wire with a set frequency instead of magnets, it's called wire guidance system.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

That's the end game for self-driving cars. They can drive close enough together to draft, efficiency goes way up. If a problem happens ahead, they communicate back so that pileups don't happen.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)
[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 14 points 3 weeks ago

Cars in a station?

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Train cars are crabs. They've got an exoskeleton, they're squat bodied, many legged, and have pincers on either side. All they have to do is start moving that body plan around some and they will be crabs.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Ha! I was thinking along these lines reading science fiction the other day. In every novel where stuff has to get moved overland, it's always a train. No matter their tech level, trains are the simplest, most efficient solution.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Crab-spotting is completely undervalued as a cultural activity.

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[–] teije9@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the Dutch train system is so incredibly cool, you can get from one end to another end of the 'main' part of the Netherlands in an hour and its so easy to just get to any station anywhere and then you can just go everywhere for so incredibly cheap. Literally the only thing you need to get anywhere in the Netherlands is a bike and something to buy train tickets with. You dont even need to buy tickets, you can just tap your debit card on the gates in the entrance station and then tap it when you exit and it just handles everything for you

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

There's two kinds of ground transportation: off-roading, and should be a train.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

I also really like that every time I see some dumb idea to "improve vehicles" there a long comment chain improving it even further into a train.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Well if every vehicle becomes autonomous then isn't that just a large scaled high speed train?

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago

Yes. That is the point. Trains are optimal.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

Inter-vehicle cooperation and autonomy makes highways act like trains, yes, with a bunch of unnecessary steps

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[–] Kowowow@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

With how bad semis rut the road I've been wanting to see them with retractable train wheels on the back

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container this is kinda the same idea.. same container can be transferred from ship to rail to truck

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