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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 34 minutes ago

Theres about 0% chance of this happening without something totally catastrophic being bundled alongside it, like allowing creditors to come into debtors homes and beat them with sticks.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

What that would actually mean is a complete lock-out on credit cards for the poor.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

Actually asking, not rhetorical: if poor people are already getting charged based on what they can afford, would this policy exert a downward force on prices?

So way less financing options, slightly more buying outright?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Problem is the assumption that prices would go down if some people cannot afford it.

Whats happening instead is people going hungry and homeless.

The reason for this is that Supply:Demand Equilibrium is further up in price range where fewer sales at higher value yields the maximum profit.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Considering how many Americans have crippling credit card debt, especially poor people, would that be worse? I'm sure they'd still offer those credit builder cards with low limits that you have to deposit collateral for the limit.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world -1 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

Don’t Americans have a thing called Credit Score. If you are not paying off debt you don’t build up a score and good luck getting a mortgage without one.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 0 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

I'd expect a lot more use of buy now pay later schemes like Klarna.

It's similar to a credit card, but prevents build up of crippling debt.

I personally use my credit card and pay in full each month, not because I need the credit, but because in the UK you get the benefit of Section 75 protection on purchases. I've used that a few times when companies have gone bust. If I'd paid on debit card I'd have been screwed.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 2 points 22 minutes ago

Buy now, pay later does not prevent crippling debt. It makes it easy to buy without thinking or realising the actual cost. It makes is easy to stack up invoices that you in the end can't afford.

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 3 points 43 minutes ago

Sure, if we presuppose that credit cards exist as a way for a middleman company to make a huge profit and pay their CEO tens of millions of dollars annually. If we instead consider them a regulatable utility, the necessary rates for viable operation go pretty far down. The business model of “convenience is free or even costs less than cash for those who already have plenty, and this convenience is funded by the destitute who are being held down by the exact same people” is also suspect to begin with, and I’d rather DiSrUpT tHe EcOnOmY than remain complicit, which I am

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Trump promises require GOP to back him up to ever get close to being implemented. GOP have always voted against bank regulation/extortion limiting. People earning tips are not big GOP donors, so fuck them. Taxes on SS are only paid by richest SS earners, but GOP have been going around on trying to get overall SS cuts.

Any promise not Project 2025 is politician lip moving meant to bring Project 2025.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 7 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Since trump's party controls the entire gov right now he is going to be pissed when he learns he can't blame his failures on the dems for most of the country.

[–] voxthefox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago

He absolutely still can, his voting bloc is full of low information voters that just want validation for the racist/misogynistic hate they feel

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 54 minutes ago

Key dem senators were bribed to sabotage Biden's climate and other agendas. Confirmations for any anti pharma/war cabinet picks are certainly bribable. Gaetz is no problem, even if fuss made, though. There is some hope that the stupidity of destroying EVs and IRA gets blocked. Spending $1T to deport millions is going to have lobbyists intervene too.

[–] cheeseandrice@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Watch him do it anyway.

[–] brlemworld@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I hope you are wrong

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 35 minutes ago

Wow, Bernie is willing to work with actual Hitler?? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Trump lied, he serves the rich bankers

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

ha ha ha ha ha ha riiiiight good one bernie

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 14 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If Dems all act eager to act on Trump's actually good promises (untaxed tips for instance), it'll bite the GOP that much more when he backs out of those promises

[–] EpeeGnome@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago

I hope so, but they'll just blame the Dems anyway and they core voters will just believe it.

[–] JoShmoe@ani.social 8 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Imagine that, scooping up cold butter on a spatula and slapping it indiscriminately on your partner’s exposed butt.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 2 points 35 minutes ago

I'm not sure I want to imagine that in this context. Other contexts, no problemo. Just not this one.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago

Room temperature butter is superior in both sound and splatter.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Might be my background - lived half my life in a country where credit cards are interest-free for religious purposes - but 10% still seems insane.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Compare that to the ~30% I've seen, that's sadly an amazing shift (lol, which won't ever happen with the fascist caucus), but I commend Bernie for trying.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I'd never heard of this, how do the banks make any money on the card, annual fees or something?

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 17 minutes ago) (2 children)

They already make 2-3% on every purchase

[–] zqps@sh.itjust.works 1 points 42 minutes ago

Which is an insane return by itself if people use their cards for everything, as they do in the US.

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

No, we had a flat annual fee for usage. There was a fee for withdrawing cash but no making purchases.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Credit cards companies have a merchant fee, ussually around 2%.

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

It was illegal for vendors to charge a fee for card purchases, so if that was the case then they maybe just raised their prices.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 minutes ago

Iirc, surcharging is only illegal in 4 states. However, theres a loop hole in thise states, giving a discount on cash purchases arent considered a surcharge...

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The merchant is charged the fee, not you directly as the cardholder. It's already figured into the price if they accept cards.

[–] FleetingTit@feddit.org 5 points 2 hours ago

Processing or transaction fees. Anytime you use your card for a purchase the bank gets a cut of that. This fee can range from .1% to 4%, depending on the credit card processor.

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yes, we had a flat annual fee for use.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 187 points 8 hours ago

LOL, Bernie knows that's never going to happen. He's just reminding the world of an empty promise that trump made, and openly offering his help so that Trump can't say the Democrats blocked him. He'll still say it, but there will be readily available evidence to the contrary, not that that's ever mattered before.

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