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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 24 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

What that would actually mean is a complete lock-out on credit cards for the poor.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't see that as a real problem. Because as it is now, credit cards are something poor people should avoid at all costs.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

No, it's a thing idiots should avoid at all costs.

A card with a 2% reward across the board(Fidelity for instance) can be used as a proxy for your debit card week to week.

It builds my credit, gives me a group of attack dogs to sic on anyone who rips me off, and gives me a cushion if I ever need it. If you never exceed your expenses and never reach beyond your means, it's no different in consequence than paying with anything else, with a little added bonus credit and reward.

It's people and their lack of self control that ruin credit cards.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 13 points 2 hours ago

Oh God, who will the Credit Card companies exploit?!

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Actually asking, not rhetorical: if poor people are already getting charged based on what they can afford, would this policy exert a downward force on prices?

So way less financing options, slightly more buying outright?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 hours ago

Problem is the assumption that prices would go down if some people cannot afford it.

Whats happening instead is people going hungry and homeless.

The reason for this is that Supply:Demand Equilibrium is further up in price range where fewer sales at higher value yields the maximum profit.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Considering how many Americans have crippling credit card debt, especially poor people, would that be worse? I'm sure they'd still offer those credit builder cards with low limits that you have to deposit collateral for the limit.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'd expect a lot more use of buy now pay later schemes like Klarna.

It's similar to a credit card, but prevents build up of crippling debt.

I personally use my credit card and pay in full each month, not because I need the credit, but because in the UK you get the benefit of Section 75 protection on purchases. I've used that a few times when companies have gone bust. If I'd paid on debit card I'd have been screwed.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

Buy now, pay later does not prevent crippling debt. It makes it easy to buy without thinking or realising the actual cost. It makes is easy to stack up invoices that you in the end can't afford.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Don’t Americans have a thing called Credit Score. If you are not paying off debt you don’t build up a score and good luck getting a mortgage without one.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It's a combination of factors. Having debt itself isn't as important as payment history, age of accounts, etc. Credit card debt is probably the opposite of helpful; paying off a card every month in full for a long time is much more useful.

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Sure, if we presuppose that credit cards exist as a way for a middleman company to make a huge profit and pay their CEO tens of millions of dollars annually. If we instead consider them a regulatable utility, the necessary rates for viable operation go pretty far down. The business model of “convenience is free or even costs less than cash for those who already have plenty, and this convenience is funded by the destitute who are being held down by the exact same people” is also suspect to begin with, and I’d rather DiSrUpT tHe EcOnOmY than remain complicit, which I am