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It's up to the rest of the world now. We can't put climate action on hold for four years in hopes that a new administration will take over in 2029 that will lead the world in the transition away from fossil fuels.
The world has gotten very used to US leadership since the end of WWII, but that era is over. Maybe it should have ended a long time ago, but now it must. The US can't lead anymore, we lack the competency, efficacy, and morality to lead the world. Someone else is going to have to captain the ship.
I think it's important that America's replacement not be just the next most powerful nation. I think it's time for democracy to go global. We need the nations working together, instead of a single nation dominating the world through military might and economic control. The violent hegemonic orders of the past must be replaced with a global democratic order, based on inclusion, cooperation, and the consent of the governed.
Edit: I realized that I need to explain what I mean when I say that someone other than the US needs to take the leadership role in the transition away from fossil fuels. Climate action in an individual country is a very good thing, and very necessary, but climate change is a global problem. It's great that countries are taking steps to reduce their own GHG emissions, but unless such action is taken everywhere it's not going to be sufficient. GHG emissions have to reach net zero everywhere, not just in a few, relatively wealthy European countries. That will require cooperation and collaboration between nations, and I think that will require leadership. The US cannot be relied upon to lead that effort, so someone else is going to have to.
On hold? That’s very optimistic of you.
Trump repealed 112 environmental regulations in his first term, during a pandemic, without preparation, rolling us back to the Bush Administration in multiple categories.
I think we’re going to go backwards again, most likely at a faster rate than his last term.
WWII has been over for almost 80 years. And that era ending with the reputation that America had been carrying since from it, died the day 9/11 happened. Ever since then, America has been struggling, scrambling and trying to come to grips with it's identity. Something that's just been treated as just a huge power struggle, a power struggle of extreme petty matters between two parties. But one party in particular that for every election cycle and terms handed to, have been outright sabotaging what it meant to be America.
And it hasn't gotten any easier. The problem is, is that the candidates of what you seek for a replacement, is very very narrow. There are few superpowers in the world that could do it, the problem is, is that those superpowers are China, Russia and USA. I know there are others and right now if I had to pick a replacement, I'd pick Sweden since they still care about humanitarianism. If we can unite Germany, Sweden and maybe the UK, those combined could replace USA.
It may need to be the EU. I know the EU isn't a nation, but as a block perhaps Europe has the power and influence to lead the effort. Maybe a new entity needs to be established, a global union of nations. Or maybe a union of continents. Maybe each continent should establish its own union of nations (I think every continent already has some kind of union of one type or another) and then have a global union of continents. I don't necessarily know the best course of action, all I know is the US cannot lead.
I think the real problem that no one in the US is prepared to deal with is we are the bad guys in almost every situation. Once you peel off the thin veneer of freedom and supposed rights you are left with a militaristic corporate oligarchy. One that regularly uses and abuses human beings.
It is no surprise we played both sides before being involved in WWII. Powerful influential people from the US helped bank roll the Nazi party.
Then when this poison tree bore fruits the Nazi came to the US and other countries asking that we take the Jews.
The same people who backed the Nazi party in the US said hell the fuck no and doomed the Jews to die.
Then we go in killing a shit ton of innocent civilians and declare we are good guys. That's right the people who helped create the Nazi and deny the Jews safety are the good fucking guys. Unfucking believable.
The truth behind the US is so ugly no one can truly face it. This is just one story in the book of fuckups we have perpetrated around the world.
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Who cares if Extreme Weather Events happen more Frequently under Trump! It's not like he's going to completely ELIMINATE things like FEMA!
Or NOAA. Good luck knowing when the next hurricane is coming to hit you, Floridiots.
Who needs NOAA? We have Donald Trump with a Sharpie.
And now we watch as Christians vote to destroy God’s creation in order to drive vroomier pick-up shit wagons.
At this point there just worshipping the golden calf. They're not Christians anymore.
Come on now. They wouldn't...
Oh right.
Their goal is to bring about the end of days so that they can all be saved and go to heaven. They are literally trying to end the world.
This is not an exaggeration. They literally don't care about the world because "we're all going to heaven anyway." I have relatives that have said as much.
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This reason is why I laugh about Israel lining up behind the American right wing. Like you guys know what Israel is for according to the bible, right?
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Maybe they just think the sooner the planet is destroyed, the sooner they'll be rescued from the rapture.
They do be that stupid!
Is there any way to get them to realize if there’s a hell, this is how they gain admission?
I think they didn't read the book :/.
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’
Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’” Matthew 25:41-45 (ESV)
““Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” Matthew 7:21 (ESV)
Not these psychopaths.
Jesus is their savor, and they will shoot you in the face to prove it.
Hell, they'll elect the antichrist to prove it.
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It’s time for the world community to start treating the United States as an environmental, economic, and military threat. We are not a partner. We don’t value the wellbeing of anyone, be they in other countries or our own for that matter.
They just need to "Under the Dome" the whole country.
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This will mainly hurt the American industries. The rest of the world is moving on, whether or not USA is on board.
My concern is for the planet. The US is by far the largest contributor to climate change if you account for the additional emissions from US manufacturing in China. We can’t afford this move backwards.
Earth will be just fine.
True. I meant most life. The planet will balance itself once we’re all dead.
Right? Its just that biological, carbon-based shit on it that's gonna get cooked. This old rock is gonna be just fine. 🥹
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Meh. The U.S. probably are also going to be one of the most affected and if Trump enacts all his economic ideas, the U.S. Economy will tank HARD, meaning the contribution to climate change will shrink regardless.
Increasing dependency on cheaply made imported goods only increases the emissions from production by nations with lower regulations. Couple that with emissions from increased trade, and I’m not as sure that economic hardship would reduce the US footprint in a noticeable way.
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The iconic international climate treaty - the Paris Agreement - includes a pledge to try and keep temperatures from rising by more than 1.5C above pre-industrial levels.
So how are countries doing on sticking to 1.5C or below? Well, not very well. Just last month the UN warned that current climate policies put the world on track for 3.1C of warming by 2100.
Probably going to need to be some change from the current trajectory, if so.
If only we knew Trump would do something like this...
https://2017-2021.state.gov/on-the-u-s-withdrawal-from-the-paris-agreement/
…again.
Eh, the ocean taking Florida will be a net gain for humanity. I'm looking forward to watching all those republican voters lose their houses.
Anyone with half a brain was looking at projected sea level rise before buying a house, so... ya. Byeeeeee Florida, you won't be missed.
I get what you're saying, but I've lived my entire life in Florida and I've never been a supporter of conservative policies. I didn't vote for climate change and I'm certainly not in support of of repealing policies to at least slow it down. Me and my family are going to suffer from this just the same. I understand you want to feel the joy at the suffering of climate change deniers, but there's a lot of people here who don't deserve what we're going to get. A lot of us may not have the ability to just leave and go elsewhere and are going to suffer anyway. Unfortunately, the people who most deserve what they get have enough money to escape it and aren't going to suffer the consequences.
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But according to Ben Shapiro they can just sell their houses and move!
Hey c'mon - it's either save the world for our descendants or make sure a handful of corporate executives, stockholders and bankers are able to afford more houses and bigger yachts. The choice is obvious, right?
Just let him know it’s eight years old and he’ll stay in there until completion.
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Providing he doesn't become a dictator, which is certainly probable, his impacts on the environment will be bad, but not catastrophic.
Historically, when the incumbent is out, the president flips to the other party. Businesses plan strategy out for 5-10-20 years. Trump dismantling regulation won't force them to reconsider their strategy entirely. They'll use the 4 years as breathing room knowing it's probable a democratic executive will return in 2029. They'll slow walk progress, but they aren't going to abandon everything and start ramping up emissions. They still have to sell products in CA and the 16 states that follow CA emissions rules. We already saw that in 2016, auto makers stayed the course. They enjoyed the extra time to get their fleet MPGs up, but they knew time would eventually out and they'd need to be competitive when that happened.
Trumps "drill baby drill" plan sounds good to idiots, but oil is still subject to supply and demand. They already lease more land than they could ever use. They'll use trump to buy up leases that would otherwise go to renewables, but they aren't going to start pumping oil past demand and driving their profits down. Especially considering retaliation tariffs could cut into exports as well.
The IRA benefits red states more than blue and they are already begging GOP leaders to leave it alone. Trump might be able to cut individual tax credits for the middle class. Slow some solar and EV purchases, buy that'll cut into Elon's business as well, so maybe he won't even get that done.
Of course, if he goes full dictator, we're fucked anyway. But if he stays within the confines of our flawed democracy, and money prefers he do so they can continue to buy laws forever, then there's a chance his damage will be confined as well.
Man, I hope whatever being out there that's fucking with us hears this, and it's not just grade-A hopium.
Whew! Biden refused to take aggressive action on climate change like his voters wanted. Glad we're finally on the right track!
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