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I'm completely against his policies and actions for obvious reasons. I hate Nazis.
Still, I could probably be convinced to say that he wasn't 100% bad in every possible way.
Even the most evil people are complex human beings. There may be something good inside them at some point to some person, etc.
"All" is a very powerful word.
While I agree with the sentiment, I don't think 1 in 5 thought : "well, he's kind with his dog and an OK painter, I can't in good faith say he's completely bad"
Ok, I get it, but we really should avoid looking at things/people like Adolfy as black or white - that just makes it a meme & loses actual historical/lecture value.
With Hitler being a one-dimensional idea/meme/brand instead of a human (supported by humans with rational human causes) I'm afraid we are doomed to repeat the same cycle of mistakes.
What I'm saying is that instead of education we have strong propaganda (after a specific date) that taught us this Hitler brand was just & only bad, like it was a spontaneous event. Instead of a full person & a nation (again full of actual people) with voting rights in irl situations.
And propaganda isn't free, it's financially fueled, which means it wants something in return.
Monsters are humans. We need to remember that, despite what we are preached.
He lost the war, and died committing suicide in a bunker as his capital city was under siege being demolished.
Seems like we could just focus on those facts to show how going like Hitler ends up.
When you look into Hitler with a kind of Devil's Advocate-ish no pre-bias approach, certainly some good ideas. Was for workers, abortion, prostitution, national healthcare, good minimum wages, women's rights,... But there's just some... just a few... a handful, if you will, that were maybe...maaaybe what could be considered psychopathic monstrously batshit insane ideas.
But, hey, plenty of people love the Christian god, and Hitler is somewhere between that guy and a Powerpuff girl, so no surprises for me.
The power of charisma over those apathetic to self-thinking.
Edit: Apparently we have a lot of God-fearing neo-Nazis here! Sorry, it was a joke, I'll just leave. No need to try track me down.
hides under the floorboards They'll never look here!
Judging by the latest election, the number seams a lot higher, more like three in five
One in five do not think Hitler was all bad. Two in five think he was better than a lady who laughs sometimes.
And the idiots that didn't bother to vote, accepted this outcome
My thoughts exactly. Wait though, actually that is the fault of Democrats, somehow. I'll get back to you on how
Fools never see evil until its at their door.
Point of vampires is to never invite evil in
They see the evil but think it will be to their advantage because they aren't like "those people."
Hitler was nothing without the NSDAP and the fascist movement.
There were 915,000 Germans in the Waffen-SS.
In case you don't remember, what we're talking about here:
It's like watching a horror movie. You know the killer is in the basement, yet people go and have a look while the audience knows what's going to happen. A classic fuck around and find out.
Hitler had one good idea. Right at the end when he decided to shoot himself.
Reminds me of this great street art I saw posted at some point. Can't find the source though.
That's not fair phrasing and will lead to high numbers.
Hitler wasn't "all" bad technically, he was just so bad that the good shouldn't matter at all. Pushing forward technology (VW Beetle, Autobahn) should is no way be justified by genocide (obviously).
A better question would have been something like "do you like Hitler overall?"
The full poll data: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Views_on_Hitler_poll_results.pdf
Do you think of Adolf Hitler as. . . ?
So 12% felt he was at least as good as he was bad, 12% fell into the 'well, even a horrible person can do something right, and 12% were somehow not sure...
What a terrible question. He was an awful person but obviously nobody is all bad.
He only has one redeeming quality: killing Hitler.
Yeah, but that can't possibly be true - which we ofc all know it can't be, yet what you said is a very standard thing to say.
(Even "killing Hitler" was at that point of no good consequence - but "he" (?) would have been a hero if he killed Hitler at least one year sooner ... but also max about 22 years earlier ... so he completely missed the window on that "one redeeming quality" as well ... so that whole thing is just a nonsense saying.)
but also he killed the guy who killed hitler
There is literally nothing I can think of that would make him good in any isolated field. For a long time people held the believe that he was pro environment and animal rights. But he also killed his own dog. People also say that he had a special aura around him. That he was very charming. But those people were likely like trump supporters today. My great grandmother actually got to see him before she fled Germany. She said that there was nothing particularly interesting about him except for the way he speaks maybe.
The question is still to vague. Obviously all of his politics were the worst. But the way it's phrased, you'd kinda have to agree he wasn't ALL bad if, for example, he made a pretty tasty pasta sauce. Like. Not that it'd be relevant. It's the vagueness of the question that I'm critiquing. Maybe I'm just having an autism moment.
I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.
Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...
It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."
--Michael Rosen.
It doesn’t walk in saying, “Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”
Yeah but evidently it does, and people still choose it.
Never all the people.
American fascism certainly does say those things, but it's always other peoples' faces the leopards will be eating.
We've got to stop talking about "if" and "when."
It's NOW. This is happening. We are watching the rise of the next Hitler, now, live, today. This isn't hypothetical anymore - yesterday just gave them carte blanche to go full stormtroopers.
At this point, all of our conversations need to be about how we stay safe in the wake.
We got to stop talking about NOW as if its only just started. Weve been building and locking people in concentration camps for decades.
We have been massacring civilians for decades. We have been profiting off of a genocide for over a year.
We know, they just voted for him.
Definitely a lot more than that based on this election.
More than one in five apparently.
Kind of a loaded question to include the word "all" but I understand the lack of faith or respect for the USA right about now.
Well now he's going to be president.
Related: we've all heard the stories of a time traveler going back to kill Hitler before his rise to power. One common theme in almost all those stories is that the attempt fails, that's why history is as we remember. This morning has me thinking that maybe time travel was involved in a couple of Trump assassination attempts.
He wasn't "all bad", he apparently was very good with animals, like his dog Blondie. He was a vegetarian. And that's probably everything which wasn't bad. For the rest it's all completely fucked up bad. No doubt about it.
Oh and I just remembered he was very good at giving directions. "were do I need to go?" "Take the third reich"
I don't think he was vegetarian for animals. He did it for his health. Something Stallen should have done.
well, one thing i'll say in his favour: he did kill hitler.
(credit: jimmy carr)
I mean he did kill Hitler, that's got to count for something.
Obviously, Hitler even gave credit to Jim Crow policies as being an inspiration for his generic policies.
The dixiecrats aren't ashamed of that, game recognizes game.
After last night, you don't have to prove we're dumb bastards to me.