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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 56 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

This isn't sides anymore.

Until America wants to be tolerant of more than intolerance, it seems it will vote with its penises, wallets, and weapons.

Edit: unnecessary apostrophe

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 27 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

you organize to pressure the burgeoise, as always, because they are the ones funding every winning political candidate.

except for americans fascism seem to be tolerable but god forbid you learn from marxism and socialism.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 42 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (10 children)

THIS is the moment where everyone should be creating 3rd party candidates and going to the streets to spread awareness for the next election.

Not 6 months before the election with trump as a possibility. Get out there and promote 3rd party now, when people are pissed at Democrats for throwing it all away for Israel and people are pissed the trump won.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 35 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

IMO third party is not viable unless we change our voting system, but people keep voting out the progressive reform party so fat chance.

EDIT: 100% for independents in Congress tho, as long as it doesnt split the vote for progressives.

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[–] escapedgoat@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Legally, there are a couple challenges to be made to his eligibility that will likely be brought by some states. The main one that comes to mind is If there is a case for insurrection then the 14th amendment applies.

Another potential is the 25th amendment. This would require J.D. Vance to get half of the cabinet on board to remove Trump from power. I'm wondering if this is something that is already in the works considering J.D. Vance's true feelings for Trump that were revealed in the past. It's probably a long shot, but who knows.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 67 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

By finally doing what it clearly needs to do, splitting in multiple countries so red States can finally become third world countries like they so want to be.

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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

If the Communists are willing to do what they say we need to do. This is a big "if" that I don't see any evidence for.

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[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 140 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Democracy is just the tyranny of the majority.

I think that most of the Americans want this, even if people on the outside do not understand. So in that sense they are right now winning back their country, as confusing as it might sound.

[–] C126@sh.itjust.works 6 points 20 hours ago

vote against this and save us all from this idiocy.

Nope. There was just more people lined up to vote for more idiocy. We failed the world. I’d say I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’ll help. This is America.

America needs to focus on decentralizing power. That way, when the other side wins, they can't do much damage. Biggest problem America faces is too much centralized control.

[–] Deadlytosty@feddit.nl 100 points 23 hours ago (17 children)

Normally in Democracy the majority or popular vote wins, however due to the electoral college America has, it doesnt necessarily mean the majority voted for the winner. This was the case for Bush, and some other moments in the past.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 177 points 23 hours ago (12 children)

FYI: it looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote on this one as well.

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

And I was so loving Lina Khan's FTC, ~~asking~~ among other things...

Edit: autocorrect

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 160 points 23 hours ago (12 children)

How in the fuck.

Like what drives a majority of Americans to vote for a demented toddler. It's insane.

As a kid I always wondered how on Earth did Hitler ever make anyone follow himself, how did those people not realise. Turns out a majority of people are just fucking morons.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmings.world 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

For all practical purposes, about 30% of people are unfeeling morons - basically psychopaths. That’s the number that consistently opposes abortion, for instance. Add to that all the dumbasses who don’t know any better (the undecideds on any extremely obvious moral issue), et voila. That’s how you get slavery, nationalism, genocide, theocracy, you name it.

Unless people are willing to screen for psychopathy and remove it from the gene pool, the human species will keep fucking around until it finds out. Might be nuclear apocalypse or environmental collapse, but at this rate it’s inevitable.

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 75 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Yep and the slow gutting of the education system isn't making it any better.

You have an entire generation coming of voting age who are rabid Trump supporters. They don't care about policies or democracy or public institutions. They don't care about healthcare, social securities, or the stability of the economy.

They don't care about any of the things that have been built up through generations. They lack critical thinking ability.

The recipe works. If you make dumb kids they will vote for dumb people. It works so well that part of the future plan for a trump presidency is to get rid of the department of education. Solidifying the Republican party indefinitely.

Without critical thinking and with mass media it's so easy to say every problem that people deal with is because the "other side" made it so. Even if the other side has been doing everything possible to achieve the opposite.

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[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 65 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Whether it's 48 or 52 % is an immaterial difference. Every other American who voted, voted for Trump. The rest don't seem to care either way. He has very broad popular assent and is as popular as Harris give or take a margin of error.

Everyone is lasered-focused on the EC because it makes all the difference for the practicalities, but if one is to make a broad judgement of whether Trump won fair and square the answer is "yeah, mostly". Further proof is the fact that the House is probably going to be his as well.

Americans now bear the collective responsibility for the horrors of the next 4(+?) years. Do not make the mistake of blaming the popular will of outright fascism on institutional failures, because institutions didn't force half of Americans to vote for the fascist, again.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 117 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

As an American, I expected most Americans to be at least semi-rational and to recognize what a threat to democracy and our way of life that Trump is. I expected most Republicans to just vote for him out of reflex, but otherwise the rest of America would rise up in our hour of need to vote against this and save us all from this idiocy.

Nope. There was just more people lined up to vote for more idiocy. We failed the world. I’d say I’m sorry, but I don’t think that’ll help. This is America.

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 78 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

It is too late for a while now. Try to be safe, even if that means moving.

[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 60 points 23 hours ago (3 children)
[–] alleycat@lemmy.world 44 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Pretty dystopic that you post this quote, because it is doctored to include catholics. Niemöller's wife explicitly stated that he never included them in his poem. Source: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/was-sagte-niemoeller-wirklich

Martin Niemöllers zweite Frau (seit 1971), Sibylle von Sell  schreibt dazu am 23.4.2000 in h-holocaust https://www.h-net.org/~holoweb/ :.“ The trouble with Martin Niemoeller’s „famous quotation“ is that he never wrote it down – which enabled  so many hitchhikers  over the years to „put themselves on the waggon“. In his  „Confession of Guilt“  (as he called it himself: Schuldbekenntnis in German) the Communists came first, then the Trade Unionists and then the Socialists and then the Jews. NO ONE ELSE.”

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[–] Myro@lemm.ee 72 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I think this is going to be the end of the USA as we know it. After this period, democracy will be significantly impacted.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 77 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

The western world as a whole should be terrified. There has been a sharp dip towards conservatism that will only accelerate with Trump back at the helm in the US. Brexit didn't occur in a vacuum.

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[–] card797@champserver.net 62 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

America has past the point of no return on education. Anti-intellectualism is the status quo now. It's only gonna get worse now.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 59 points 19 hours ago (19 children)

Honestly at this point y'all should just get the fuck out. Where to? Anywhere honestly. You'll probably find the third world preferable to a post project 2025 Murica.

Russia's been having a major brain drain issue as all people with functioning brains either have escaped or want to escape the country. I don't see why Americans should do any different.

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[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 58 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Facism is capitalism in decay. America just proved that the decay is rapid.

Liberal institutions just paved the way for facism to take root.

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[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 51 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

What do you mean? Trump won decisively. Electoral, popular, in the senate, etc...

You're really asking, "how does a minority continue to exist in the face of a fascist majority?"

The answer is, generally, they don't.

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[–] Fester@lemm.ee 51 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Hope there will be a legitimate election in 2028, and show up to the fucking primary before it and in 2026.

I think Trump won because of the economy. Yes, he has a rabid base that really does want his fascism, but the voters who pushed him over the edge are ones suffering because inflation and the wealth gap that has just been allowed to increase unimpeded. Those voters don’t want fascism - they’re just dumb AF and don’t pay attention. They just voted for “change.”

These problems will only increase over the next 4 years, so there will be another opportunity defy the status quo in 2028. We had a chance and failed to do in 2016. We came closer in 2020. We didn’t have a real primary in 2024. When we get to 2028, it’s time to fucking do it.

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